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Old August 11th, 2013, 06:42 PM   #141
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Congratulations for your new trains!! They looks very nice
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Old October 14th, 2013, 10:11 PM   #142
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According to the SER, the numbering of the Flirts is quite strange.

The numbers have 4 digits: ABCC.

A shows if it is electric (1) or diesel (2).

B shows the number of passenger coaches.

CC is the serial number, from 01 to 38.

However the serial numbers are given randomly, or maybe according to the delivering order, so for instance train 3 is a 4-car EMU (1403), train 4 is a 4-car DMU (2404), train 5 is a 3-car DMU (2305), and so on. Also having 5 subseries with only 38 vehicles is curious, although maybe there is a good reason for it.

Numbers are:
12 EMU-3: 1309-1311, 1316, 1319, 1321, 1323, 1324, 1326, 1327, 1329, 1330
6 EMU-4: 1401-1403, 1406-1408
6 DMU-2: 2233-2238
8 DMU-3: 2305, 2312-2315, 2317, 2318, 2320
6 DMU-4: 2404, 2422, 2425, 2428, 2431, 2432
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Old October 14th, 2013, 10:56 PM   #143
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Whats so weird? Serial numbers were given by the manufacture sequence as far as i know.

When we look at some train, we can easily have info about it:

for example- 2404 means:
Diesel, 4-unit train. 4th in line

2235 - Diesel, 2-unit, 35th in line
1316 - Electric, 3-unit, 16th in line
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Old October 14th, 2013, 11:15 PM   #144
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For what I see, most railway companies in Western Europe give numbers in sequence, for example like that:
EMU-3: 1301-1312 instead of 1309-1311, 1316, 1319, 1321, 1323, 1324, 1326, 1327, 1329, 1330
DMU-4: 2401-2406 instead of 2404, 2422, 2425, 2428, 2431, 2432
...and so on.

The Estonian way is not wrong, as it is quite common in the 1520 gauge network where vehicles are usually numbered according to their production, even if they are owned by different countries. It is just strange from my point of view!
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Old October 15th, 2013, 12:28 AM   #145
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But it isn't a traditional 1520 numbering either.
If you want to see some traditional 1520 numbering - look for Belarusian Flirts.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:53 PM   #146
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Last week the remaining old EMUs were taken to Latvia so as of now there are no EMUs in Estonia apart from the new FLIRTs.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #147
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Last week the remaining old EMUs were taken to Latvia so as of now there are no EMUs in Estonia apart from the new FLIRTs.
How many do you have and is it enough for your current needs?
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Few posts up: number is 38 and for current needs it should be enogh.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 10:56 PM   #149
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But it isn't a traditional 1520 numbering either.
If you want to see some traditional 1520 numbering - look for Belarusian Flirts.
How are they numbered? According to photos on the Belarus thread numbering of each sub-class starts from 001.

Do you know a webpage explaining 1520 classification system?
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How are they numbered? According to photos on the Belarus thread numbering of each sub-class starts from 001.

Do you know a webpage explaining 1520 classification system?
Well, any self-propered object (be it a loco or a MU) gets it's number in the form of [model name]-[number] Examples: ЭР12-6002, ТМЭ1-029, ЭПр-001, ЭР9Е-602, etc. The number identifies a loco or a MU as whole, if there are different section|cars, they are identified internally with letters (typically for locomotive sections) or numbers (typically for MU).

[Model name] typically consist of [0-1 digit][1-4 letters][0-3 digits][0-2 letters]. Examples: 2ТЭ10М, 3ТЭ10МК, ЭР200, ТЭП70, ВЛ80С, etc.

[0-1 digit] represents the number of section and typically used only with locos.
[1-3 letters] stands for some abbreviation, usually after either assembly/design place or some technical details, or task, or some combination of above. Examples: ЭПр - Электропоезд Региональный (EMU Regional), ТМЭ - Тепловоз Маневровый, Электропередача (Diesel Loco, Shunting, Electric transmission), ЧС - Чехословацкий Скорый (Czechoslovakian Express), ТЭП - Тепловоз с Электропередачей Пассажирский (Diesel Loco, Electric transmission, Passengers). The most prominent exception - VL (Vladimir Lenin) series of electric freight and freight/passenger locos, which originally was named either Н (Новчеркасский = Novocherkask) or НО (Новчеркасский Однофазный, Novocherkask Single Phase), but after Novocherkask Uprising in 1962 they were renamed due to PR reasons.
[0-3 digits] refers to some number - either axle load (VL8), or max speed, or just a index number of loco design by given factory (ChS1, ChS2, ChS4, etc.), or something else (VL80 means 8 axles, Однофазный=Single Phase, Soviet Railways used 1337 5p34k before it was cool :-) )
[0-2 letters] refers to modernisations and improvements, raging from just М - Модернизированный (=modernised), to more elaborate abbreviations, like 2nd generation VL80k (кремний=silicon, in contrast of mercury electric components in 1st gen VL80), 3rd generation VL80t (тормоз=brake, due to introduction of electrical braking), 4th gen VL80s (СМЕ=multiple units).


[number] Denotes number of loco unique within [0-1 digit][1-4 letters][0-3 digits] group, starting from 001 or 0001 (which is the same numbers, theoretically), and in creasing by 1 for each next produced unit, no skips (except for producing of the same model at different plants - then numbers are allocated in blocks of hundreds, that may cause a skip when model is dropped from production)


While this rules aren't formalised, and there is a fare number of exceptions, especially during last decade, and especially in baltic states, even nowaday most 1520 locos/MUs receive naming according to this scheme. This names are shown on units, they a widely used in documentation, especially that one, which doesn't require strict formality, and even more widely in oral conversations.


In mid 80th, due to need of computerised processing of rolling stock, another system was introduced - 8 digit codes, which doesn't replaced the those abbreviations, but rather complimented it. They are unique for each car/section, and they also cover freight and passenger cars. The principles of the system would require another post, because this one is getting really freakingly big.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 12:45 AM   #151
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A great video of the old DR1A DMU and the new Stadler FLIRT EMU departing from Tallinn main station:


This also marks the end of an era. As of 1 January 2014 all train lines within Estonia will be serviced either by FLIRT EMUs or DMUs. The old trains will most likely be scrapped.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 08:17 AM   #152
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Good scene, but presumably the track on which the cameraman stood while taking this video was closed (out of use) then... or was it?
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Old December 31st, 2013, 01:08 PM   #153
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Not, it wasn't but AFAIK the cameraman works on the railways and knows the timetables so I think he knew there wasn't a train coming at that time
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 05:19 PM   #154
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As of yesterday,ALL old Soviet era passenger trains running on Estonian railways have been replaced with modern Stadler Flirts.

This year marks the end of nearly 5 year long transition phase during which all station platforms were rebuilt to 550mm standard,nearly half of electric railway network was reconstructed and new passenger trains were bought/leased from Stadler Rail.

Stadler Flirt DMU 2425,nicknamed 'Dorpat'.
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Stadler Flirt EMU 1330,nicknamed 'Amandus'.
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At the moment only old passenger trains are operating on international routes to Mosow (TEP70 + Soviet passenger cars) and to St.Petersburg (DR1's).
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 05:48 PM   #155
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very nice! So every line and station in Estonia passed from the russian gauge to european gauge?
other questions:
Is the project Rail baltica true and serious?
Are they gonna build a Baltic electrified High Speed Line that maybe can connect Tallin , Riga and Vilnius?
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It's still the same Russian gauge, only rolling stock and platform heights are new. As for Rail Baltica maybe in long term, but I wouldn't expect anything before 2025. Latvia and Lithuania in particular can't afford it at the moment. Usability is dubious as well in such a thinly populated area and with no meaningful national connections.
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On the Rail Baltica issues, a long thread exists elsewhere on our forum, with 161 pages so far.
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It's still the same Russian gauge, only rolling stock and platform heights are new. As for Rail Baltica maybe in long term, but I wouldn't expect anything before 2025. Latvia and Lithuania in particular can't afford it at the moment. Usability is dubious as well in such a thinly populated area and with no meaningful national connections.
sorry , i'm a railway noob. So these gauges are still the russian ones. Shouldn't they be european , Estonia being in EU? wouldn't it be easier for freight trains? Too much money?

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sorry , i'm a railway noob. So these gauges are still the russian ones. Shouldn't they be european , Estonia being in EU? wouldn't it be easier for freight trains? Too much money?
Why should they be? There is no connection to European standard gauge network. By the way rail network in Finland is Russian gauge as well. Freight trains need Russian gauge because virtually all freight comes from there.
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Why should they be? There is no connection to European standard gauge network. By the way rail network in Finland is Russian gauge as well. Freight trains need Russian gauge because virtually all freight comes from there.
thankyou

With rail baltica (or the european baltic corridor) there will be a connection with european gauge for freight and passenger (right?) , are they gonna leave just that route with the european gauge and not change the other gauges?. I know i'm talking about 20 years from now , but thinking about problems before maybe is better. Or am i just saying bs ?:P
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