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Old January 2nd, 2014, 08:01 PM   #161
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Look at Spain, the country has now their own broad-gauge system for traditional trains and the European for high speed trains. It's simply too costly to change gauges (in both track + rolling stock).
Look at France. Almost everywhere on the French network the traffic is left-hand, but in Alsace-Moselle region they still drive right-hand, as this part of the network was built in former Germany. That would have been relatively easy transformation, but still didn't pay economically.
And yes, on some areas of the Baltic countries the gauge did change back and forth in history, but it was necessary for the fighting armies to get deeper into the territory with their stock, no matter what costs involved (compromising on quality though).
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 08:09 PM   #162
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sorry if i am goign off topic here but i need to understand.
If Spain has its own gauge and won't change it , Estonia too , France too... whats the point in building european corridors for freight and european high speed corridors?
Are there trains that can go on more gauges?
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 08:17 PM   #163
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 08:28 PM   #164
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With rail baltica (or the european baltic corridor) there will be a connection with european gauge for freight and passenger (right?) , are they gonna leave just that route with the european gauge and not change the other gauges?. I know i'm talking about 20 years from now , but thinking about problems before maybe is better. Or am i just saying bs ?:P
Rail Baltic is expected to work as trunk line and 1520mm gauge routes will serve as feeder lines to it. At the moment there aren't any other plans of converting existing lines to 1435mm gauge.

On rumour level - some private companies are said to have shown interest in creating industrial or freight rail links to RB,but those of course won't materialize before RB actually gets built.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 09:20 PM   #165
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sorry , i'm a railway noob. So these gauges are still the russian ones. Shouldn't they be european , Estonia being in EU? wouldn't it be easier for freight trains? Too much money?
Well there are a lot freight coming to Baltic states from 1520 network, due to fact, that Baltic countries have all-year-round ice-free ports, while 1435 mm countries have their own ports, so freight transit and processing bring money to Baltic states. Should they convert their existing lines to 1435 mm - they would lost a good source of revenue, which is insane thing to do.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 09:46 PM   #166
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If Spain has its own gauge and won't change it , Estonia too , France too... whats the point in building european corridors for freight and european high speed corridors?
From the Spanish/French border to the border of Ukraine (with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, all of them 1435 mm countries) the gauge is the same (1435 also in France, Germany, Italy, Turkey etc.). Moreover, the high speed passenger traffic can go from Central Europe up to Barcelona or Madrid without changing gauges.
In the North, there is only one contact point between Swedish normal gauge and Finnish broad gauge networks, no passenger traffic there.
Freight: what about containers?

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Yes, there are several systems, like Polish SUW 2000 or Spanish TALGO.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 10:59 PM   #167
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Look at Spain, the country has now their own broad-gauge system for traditional trains and the European for high speed trains. It's simply too costly to change gauges (in both track + rolling stock).
Spanish/Portuguese case is different: much less traffic, no transit from others big networks, low traffic so easy to convert.

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At the moment there aren't any other plans of converting existing lines to 1435mm gauge.
Just a line that from Poland goes to Kaunas, in Lithuania.
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Old January 4th, 2014, 12:34 PM   #168
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Just a line that from Poland goes to Kaunas, in Lithuania.
Isn't that being rebuilt as a dual gauge line instead of full conversion?

In any case it's for the better since before reconstruction it looked like this
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Old January 19th, 2014, 10:09 AM   #169
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Hey,

I've got a couple of questions concernig the FLIRT in Estonia:

1) Do all trains (diesel and electronic) have the same interior and the same seating, comfort etc. inside? or are the trains different with variations?

2) Do all trains have first and second class? Is there a business or premium class? I remember that the old trains used to have some modernized and comfortable seats.

3) Where can I see photos of first and second class? How much comfort do the train offer?

4) Is there any restaurant/bar available? Do they offer a trolley with drinks?
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Old January 19th, 2014, 10:31 AM   #170
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Do they offer a trolley with drinks?
That would be impossible because of low floor.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #171
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Diesel trains have by markings first and second class by comfort I would call them as second and third class. I hope it will get a solution in near future. There are 2, 3 and 4 car diesels, I am not sure if 2car units have different classes.

Electrics are all the same, one class for all, difference is only in length 3 and 4 car trains.

All the trains have same interior(only difference is that diesels have two different classes and the diesel(powerpack) in between), even colours are the same.

Unfortunately there is no on board catering not even tea/coffee, it might happen in near future I hope so. The CEO of Elron Andrus Ossip is totally uncompetent troublemaker who has created a lot's of trouble for Estonian train traffic. Estonia needs an neutral international company to audit his tons of mistakes.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 02:09 PM   #172
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Very interesting!

What's the reason they only offer second class in electric trains?
Are the electric more like a metro service?


Is only the diesel train used as "long distance" train? (I know they don't run very long because Estonia is small)

Any photos of first and second class?
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Old January 19th, 2014, 02:13 PM   #173
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Very interesting!

What's the reason they only offer second class in electric trains?
Are the electric more like a metro service?


Is only the diesel train used as "long distance" train? (I know they don't run very long because Estonia is small)
Longest electric route - Tallinn-Aegviidu, 56,7 km (Travel through Tallinn would involve reversal at Balti Jaam and no direct trains exist)
Longest diesel route might be Tallinn-Piusa. About 280 km.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #174
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sorry if i am goign off topic here but i need to understand.
If Spain has its own gauge and won't change it , Estonia too , France too... whats the point in building european corridors for freight and european high speed corridors?
Are there trains that can go on more gauges?
Standard gauge Rail Baltic gives access to EU standard gauge network for all Baltic states. It will give opportunity for Baltic companies to send their goods to whatever place on EU standard gauge network directly, also Finland benefits. Today it is not possible. Rail Baltic also creates good passenger rail connections in between Baltic capitals (Tallinn, Riga and Vilnius) and between Baltic and other EU cities like Warszawa, Berlin, Praha, Wien etc also today not possible by rail in good way.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 06:16 PM   #175
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Any photos of first and second class?
First class - 2+2 seating, carpet on the floor, the seats are a bit wider and everybody has a table.


Second class - 2+3 seating, narrower seats, only a small table near the window.


Source:http://eestimaablogi2.blogspot.com/2013/06/konka.html

(Sorry for the large photos)
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Old March 1st, 2014, 06:13 PM   #176
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A few great time lapse videos of Estonian railways by Youtube user Diiselrong

Tallinn-Narva line in June 2013:


Tallinn-Pärnu line in October 2013:
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 03:48 PM   #177
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Stadler FLIRT DMU and EMU in Lilleküla station, Tallinn.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 11:19 PM   #178
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From Railway Gazette:

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http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/p...s-savings.html

Renewed fleet brings savings
29 Jun 2014




ESTONIA: Passenger operator Elron has completed its fleet renewal programme with the delivery of the last of 38 Stadler Flirt multiple-units.

In August 2010 Elron, then known as Elektriraudtee, ordered 12 three-car and six four-car EMUs and 20 DMUs incorporating supercapacitor energy storage to boost acceleration, the first diesel version of the Flirt family.

Stadler says that the units’ lower weight and thus track access charges and improved energy efficiency compared to the previous stock have allowed a 56% increase in services while keeping costs constant.

Ridership has increased by 60% on electrified lines and by 15% on the diesel routes
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Old July 1st, 2014, 11:35 AM   #179
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It's not a solid plan,it's just a wild rumour from newpapers:
Entire Tallinn-St.Petersburg line could be electrified by 2018.

http://sport.err.ee/v/jalgpall/48094...6-af6447f26321

http://epl.delfi.ee/news/eesti/jalgp....d?id=63758574

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=94348656

What is happening with this project?

If I recall correctly Russians are actually building AC infra extensions from Gastinista till Ust-Luga. Track is very same where Tallin- Peter trains roam.

Ust-Luga is quite close to Tallin..
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Old July 1st, 2014, 05:47 PM   #180
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Pro rail baltica, wait, are sure that's an AC extensions? There are no AC railways for hundreds of km from Ust-Luga (nearest is either Vilnus or Orsha - ~700 km by rail), but plenty of DC, both Estonia and all railways around St.-Petersburg
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