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Old July 30th, 2011, 09:18 PM   #221
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Is there any sort of a more official name for this project yet? The fact that the owner held it for two years and is only now coming out with a plan is promising.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Chi..._Redevelopment
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One easy criticism that no one has pointed out about the twin towers is how they'd block each others' views.

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Old July 31st, 2011, 06:36 PM   #222
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I've got to agree with those that say the location of this project is sub-optimal. Because it's so large and yet very close to Willis Tower looking north/south and sort of outside the city center looking east/west, it just sort of sticks out without making a major contribution to the skyline, which is especially ironic considering how big it'd be. Then again, I suppose the fact that a developer is even considering something of this magnitude is a good sign for Chicago, particularly in light of how wrong the whole scene went post-crash.

I'll just say that as neat as it'd be to have something over 600m in the U.S., I won't be terribly disappointed if this project doesn't happen.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 07:57 AM   #223
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Buuuuild it, USA needs a 2000 footer
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Old August 1st, 2011, 08:24 AM   #224
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Ok I'll bite. Why does the USA need a 2000 footer?
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Old August 1st, 2011, 09:25 AM   #225
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I wouldn't get your hopes up. This idea is something only an insane non-Chicagoan would dream up.

Anyone truly familiar with Chicago should know that this location at the SW fringe of the Loop blows for retail, office, and residential. A triple threat. The parcel is at the intersection of 3 major expressways, on top of a 6-lane feeder road, and over a mile from the lakefront. It's surrounded by "ugly" on all sides. Why would anyone want to live there?

And if you are travelling to Chicago as a tourist, you want to go where the action is. For retail, that means Michigan Ave. (Or if you want to "slum around, State Street.) For entertainment you want to be close to the theater district, Rush Street, or Navy Pier. The only attraction this is walking distance to is Willis Tower. But this development would, if built as planned, render Willis Tower completely obsolete as a tourist attraction. As far as office space goes, why wouldn't any company just rent space on any one of the dozens of empty floors in Willis?

Anyone who has followed Chicago's downtown development over the past few decades can clearly see that the city's center of gravity (developmentally speaking) is moving decisively north, despite a handful of new residential highrises just south of Grant Park. And even north, prime real estate lies fallow. It will be many decades before major skyscraper redevelopment approaches the Kennedy Expressway. But I bet that happens before more development happens south of Congress. No one is going to finance this Presidential-Towers-on-steroids pipe dream. This makes even less sense economically than the ill-fated Chicago Spire (if that's even possible).

What is with these barmy UK developers coming in thinking they are going to outsmart established Chicago developers who somehow "foolishly" managed only to pave over "surefire" gold mines with surface parking lots? Even the sketchy and hastily-prepared renders of this project appear to be an ill-conceived joke. Face it, this project has ZERO chance of being built.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 05:32 PM   #226
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Willis still has high vacancy levels? How was it before the downturn? It seems like it's always had poor occupancy. Have they always been asking too much for the space? What is the rate per square foot?
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Old August 1st, 2011, 07:38 PM   #227
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Ok I'll bite. Why does the USA need a 2000 footer?
To get back into the skyscraper race
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Old August 1st, 2011, 07:45 PM   #228
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To get back into the skyscraper race
We have a winner! This is SKYSCRAPERCITY.com, not smartgrowth.com.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 08:46 PM   #229
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To get back into the skyscraper race
Wrong Answer. Been there done that.

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We have a winner! This is SKYSCRAPERCITY.com, not smartgrowth.com.
Skyscraper aren't the only thing, people talk about on here.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 08:50 PM   #230
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this would be amazing,... fits perfectly into chicago skyline imo
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Old August 1st, 2011, 08:50 PM   #231
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Wrong Answer. Been there done that.



Skyscraper aren't the only thing, people talk about on here.
Clearly you're right. This forum has gone astray.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 09:36 PM   #232
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Is the Old Post Office shown in today's banner? If I'm right, it's the one on the bottom farthest right.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 09:42 PM   #233
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yes i believe so
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Old August 1st, 2011, 10:09 PM   #234
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How on earth do you fill over six million square feet of retail space, in a dense downtown environment which (probably) already has quite a lot of retail space to begin with?

I don't know Chicago at all. What is the retail situation like in the Downtown area as-is? What are your feelings on whether the area could support such a massive amount of new retail space? Does downtown Chicago have any other "urban mall"-type developments already? Are they successful?



The Shops at Columbus Circle at Time Warner Center in NYC are one such example, and they at least seem to be successful (but that's me speculating based on the crowds I've seen and isn't really substantiated), however they're a fraction of this size. The World Financial Center across from the WTC in Battery Park has a similar office-tower-podium-mall, but the ongoing reconstruction probably negatively effects retail sales there. Developers are moving ahead with an expansion plan there with the future completion of the new Trade Center complex in mind.

6 million square feet is a lot of space - more than twice the size of the Mall of America.
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Old August 3rd, 2011, 07:20 PM   #235
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The type of retail I imagine best suited are mega box stores or speciality mega retailers. Perhaps something akin to an IKEA or Bass Pro Shop. I do remember hearing IKEA considering the Post Office for their 2nd Chicago location many yeras ago before they eventually up choosing another suburban location. I still wonder if that was the right move by them.

Chicago does have other downtown malls on Michigan Ave. and in the Loop at.......

Water Tower Place - 750k sq ft. (N. Michigan Ave)
North Bridge Shops - 700k sq ft. (N. Michigan Ave)
Block 37 - 400k sq ft. (The Loop, is new and still mostly empty)

The Old Post Office would be a new downtown location for retail though and could be a prime location to draw in suburban shoppers in particular if it could make itself unique enough to get suburbanites on the train on the weekends to come shop or do whatever.

Even with a good plan in a multi-use complex (like adjoining a casino) I think they would be lucky to get near 2 mill. sq. ft. To shoot for 6 million? They are marketing and leasing geniuses of the highest order if they ever pulled that off.
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Old August 3rd, 2011, 07:24 PM   #236
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They could do a BJs, Costco, Sam's Club, Walmart, Target, and still have much more room for smaller box retail. You could fit two Gurnee Mills in there!




And yes, downscale mega-box retail would be perfect for this location.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 12:41 AM   #237
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awesome!

This plan is better than the chicago spire! You got the worlds highest apartments, the biggest group of similar towers in the world (2 sets of twin towers plus another one but they are roughly alike) and the main twin buildings will be the second tallest structures in the world (with KVLY-TV mast in north dakota) so all of this should be built. Though I am afraid that donald trumps fear of the tallest buildings falling to terrorists will cause this plan to be cancelled with many other reasons, including the scarred market reason.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 12:49 AM   #238
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I only wish it'll have a roof of at least 633m. Then it would be the second tallest in the world

Also, a good thing is that it would give fans of the old NY twins their belowed twins back, after all, it's a kinda twin tower

Actually, it brings back 3 sets of twin towers. 2 others that are slightly different but all together, all the towers are roughly the same, beinging a new era in identical skyscrapers.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 12:54 AM   #239
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This plan is better than the chicago spire! You got the worlds highest apartments, the biggest group of similar towers in the world (2 sets of twin towers plus another one but they are roughly alike) and the main twin buildings will be the second tallest structures in the world (with KVLY-TV mast in north dakota) so all of this should be built. Though I am afraid that donald trumps fear of the tallest buildings falling to terrorists will cause this plan to be cancelled with many other reasons, including the scarred market reason.
"will be the second tallest structures in the world (with KVLY-TV mast in north dakota)"

country?

Donald Trump has nothing to do with this project.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 02:12 AM   #240
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Lol KVLY-TV mast in north dakota, isn't the tallest structure in the world.
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