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Old December 11th, 2011, 08:59 PM   #421
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skyscraperpage is best choice for diagrams, but bad choice for information, really. better look what CTBUH has about the building:

http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/building...lding_id=12608

What does vision mean? Sorry I never understood it..
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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:02 PM   #422
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From what I know a project is proposed when it's developer has already sent a proposal for approvement. If he didn't send a proposal, it's visionary
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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:05 PM   #423
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From what I know a project is proposed when it's developer has already sent a proposal for approvement. If he didn't send a proposal, it's visionary
a project can become visionary after it was proposed already. normally visionary projects are taller than any other building in the city and may be proposed but then die because of funding or similar reasons. Dubai for example has quite some projects that were proposed and/or even on preparation and are now only visionary anymore or cancelled, it's all about how you want to call it
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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:07 PM   #424
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But isn't a never built/dead proposed project a cancelled project?
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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:15 PM   #425
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But isn't a never built/dead proposed project a cancelled project?
i think the illinois is also called vision although it's a never built proposed project.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:50 PM   #426
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Well, as you said skyscraperpage is bad for info. Or is it called visionary even outside of the SSP diagrams?
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Old December 11th, 2011, 11:41 PM   #427
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this is now a megatall
https://store.ctbuh.org/p-91-future-...0-in-2020.aspx
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Old December 12th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #428
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Old December 12th, 2011, 01:45 AM   #429
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If the developer has filed a proposal with the City, this is definitely past the vision stage. Next to the Hudson Yards, this is the biggest one out there. Fingers crossed!
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Old December 12th, 2011, 06:33 AM   #430
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So because it's a visionary does it mean it's not happening?? Confused..
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Old December 14th, 2011, 09:39 PM   #431
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Nope, visionary means only that it hasn't sent an official proposal for approval as of this day. This building however is proposed so it should have already sent a proposal for approvement
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Old December 15th, 2011, 09:56 AM   #432
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As much as I would love to see Chicago with a 2000 foot building, I'm pretty sure this building is never going to see the light of day.. ie. it's a fantasy really, or an unrealistic proposal at best.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 02:49 PM   #433
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I wouldn't say it's unrealistic since there are like a half dozen of such buildings going up in China and like another half dozen outside of China. In the last years we got too accustomed to the US not building a truly visionary project. Maybe this project is a wake up call. I sure hope so
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Old December 15th, 2011, 09:27 PM   #434
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This project is unrealistic.

The U.S. will probably not build a building taller than the Willis Tower for a long time, maybe 2 or 3 decades.
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what makes you say that?
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Old December 15th, 2011, 10:02 PM   #436
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This project is unrealistic.

The U.S. will probably not build a building taller than the Willis Tower for a long time, maybe 2 or 3 decades.
You're waaaay too pesimistic in my opinion. It looks like the US are witholding themself from the skyscraperrace nowadays but that doesn't mean it has to stay like this in the future. If other countries and even developed countries (like South Korea) can build megatalls so can the US. And btw, I dare not to say what will be in 1 decade, predicting for 2 or 3 decades is impossible in my opinion, just my 2 cents
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Old December 15th, 2011, 10:03 PM   #437
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what makes you say that?
Several reasons:

- Low economic growth
- Lower demand for supertalls
- Too restrictive height laws
- Fall of interest in tall buildings

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Old December 15th, 2011, 10:20 PM   #438
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And after September 11, Westerners began to fear work or live in very tall buildings like the WTC, not all, of course, I'm talking about the majority.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 10:34 PM   #439
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It's still in the works. Davies wouldn't have hired someone to manage it if it weren't.

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By: Bob Craig December 01, 2011

(Crain’s) — When Martin Mulryan got a call from longtime business acquaintance Bill Davies about redeveloping a post office in Chicago, he imagined “a corner shop with two old ladies.”

...Mr. Mulryan, 51, now finds himself with the daunting task of managing the proposed redevelopment, which is expected to take more than 10 years, cost $3.5 billion and include retail, hotels, more than 1,000 residential units and the tallest skyscraper in North America.

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Old December 16th, 2011, 06:49 AM   #440
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personaly i think USA is still winning the race by far. our buildings are far more realistic and more suitable for their areas. our buildings actually work with the community. we might not be winning the height race but who cares? those are impracticable.
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