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Old February 2nd, 2013, 10:40 PM   #821
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Anything more on the tantalizing rumor of a supertall going up at the Spire site ?
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 11:13 PM   #822
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Its true, but if you play that game, one could say that Chicago probably didn't need the Sears, Trump, etc.. Why did it even need a skyscraper at all? Given it is not geographically constrained it could have just built dense midrise bildings everywhere like Sao Paolo.

It is sad that all these megatall proposals failed in Chicago, a place that used to push the limits in skyscraper building.
I agree with you totally, the US needs at least (1) 600 Meter Tower. We have fallen far in the WTB ranks.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 11:43 PM   #823
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I think the boom 4-5 years ago has kept it in the top 5. In my opinion Sears will be surpassed soon as well.
Agreed. I would actually put it at 3rd place. Shanghai is definitely very impressive, but its focal point is the Pudong part, which is honestly pretty small, in comparison to Chicago's massive skyline. Let me explain though. Shanghai's skyline is technically pudong and all its surrounding areas, because they are all covered in buildings. But, I can't help but view Pudongs surroundings the way I view Jersey city to New York. Chicago has one massive skyline, without any separation, which is in total about 8 miles. Because of that, its history, and the fact that it might be the most aesthetically beautiful skyline on the planet, I feel like Chicago still clearly has the 3rd place. One city I am watching to break into the top 5 is Shenzhen.

This is what a full skyline shot of Chicago looks like, and its absolutely magnificent

edit - Just realized Trump and several others are missing in this photo...



Here is one with trump

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Old February 3rd, 2013, 12:24 AM   #824
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Throughout the past year, my favorite has gone to four different skylines: New York, Chicago, Hong Kong, and Shanghai. Shanghai was my favorite for about a week, Hong Kong for 10 days or so, and Chicago for about three weeks. Those three are always duking it out for second, third, and fourth, but New York has to be my favorite. Although it has been slightly jumped at times, I just keep coming back. Hopefully I'll be able to visit Chicago for the first time this summer.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 07:38 AM   #825
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Agreed. I would actually put it at 3rd place. Shanghai is definitely very impressive, but its focal point is the Pudong part, which is honestly pretty small, in comparison to Chicago's massive skyline. Let me explain though. Shanghai's skyline is technically pudong and all its surrounding areas, because they are all covered in buildings. But, I can't help but view Pudongs surroundings the way I view Jersey city to New York. Chicago has one massive skyline, without any separation, which is in total about 8 miles. Because of that, its history, and the fact that it might be the most aesthetically beautiful skyline on the planet, I feel like Chicago still clearly has the 3rd place. One city I am watching to break into the top 5 is Shenzhen.

This is what a full skyline shot of Chicago looks like, and its absolutely magnificent

edit - Just realized Trump and several others are missing in this photo...



Here is one with trump

What about Dubai? Doesn't it have the most supertalls in the world right now?
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 03:59 PM   #826
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It's density is pathetic. Right across the street from a supertall you might see a vacant plot that looks like a beach. From afar it looks really nice, but up close and personal, not so much. At least that's my opinion...
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 05:12 PM   #827
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It's density is pathetic. Right across the street from a supertall you might see a vacant plot that looks like a beach. From afar it looks really nice, but up close and personal, not so much. At least that's my opinion...
It has 20 supertalls. The Marina skyline is very dense. Anyway, NYC density is not required to make a stellar skyline when you have that many tall towers, including a building twice as high as WTC1.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 05:31 PM   #828
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Agreed. I would actually put it at 3rd place. Shanghai is definitely very impressive, but its focal point is the Pudong part, which is honestly pretty small, in comparison to Chicago's massive skyline. Let me explain though. Shanghai's skyline is technically pudong and all its surrounding areas, because they are all covered in buildings. But, I can't help but view Pudongs surroundings the way I view Jersey city to New York. Chicago has one massive skyline, without any separation, which is in total about 8 miles. Because of that, its history, and the fact that it might be the most aesthetically beautiful skyline on the planet, I feel like Chicago still clearly has the 3rd place. One city I am watching to break into the top 5 is Shenzhen.

This is what a full skyline shot of Chicago looks like, and its absolutely magnificent

edit - Just realized Trump and several others are missing in this photo...



Here is one with trump

Wonderfull skyline
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 07:48 PM   #829
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It has 20 supertalls. The Marina skyline is very dense. Anyway, NYC density is not required to make a stellar skyline when you have that many tall towers, including a building twice as high as WTC1.
I see what you're saying. Certain pockets of the city are extremely dense, but these pockets are dispersed, which dilutes the skyline for me. I prefer really dense CBDs, so Dubai doesn't much appeal to me. I think that's the main problem with Dubai, as well as several ugly supertalls.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 09:36 PM   #830
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Dubai's towers may be tall but they aren't the kind I would stare at all day. The Marina is filled with ugly residential supertalls. They're mostly the same without their crowns.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 12:26 AM   #831
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Dubai's towers may be tall but they aren't the kind I would stare at all day. The Marina is filled with ugly residential supertalls. They're mostly the same without their crowns.
I agree about the marina . I prefer the area around SZR and the burj for quality buildings.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 12:35 AM   #832
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This has a design fitting to the height. It would be amazing if built.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 06:12 AM   #833
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Anyway, NYC density is not required to make a stellar skyline
Yes it is.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 07:18 AM   #834
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Yes it is.
NYC density isn't required, but Dubai is a desert, it has hardly any density. All it has is supertalls. While it's great that it has 20 supertalls, they forgot that you need low rises, mid rises, and well... a lot of buildings that aren't 400m

Dubai went for a get rich quick scheme, or in this case, they attempted to create a great skyline quickly, and they are hopefully learning that it doesn't work like that. You can't just build a ridiculously tall tower, and say you have a great skyline.

Of course I am sure the planning was more complicated then this, but it definitely comes off this way.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #835
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NYC density isn't required, but Dubai is a desert, it has hardly any density. All it has is supertalls. While it's great that it has 20 supertalls, they forgot that you need low rises, mid rises, and well... a lot of buildings that aren't 400m

Dubai went for a get rich quick scheme, or in this case, they attempted to create a great skyline quickly, and they are hopefully learning that it doesn't work like that. You can't just build a ridiculously tall tower, and say you have a great skyline.

Of course I am sure the planning was more complicated then this, but it definitely comes off this way.
It doesn't just have supertalls. If you have been to Dubai like I have, you will know that there are loads of towers in the 100 m to 300 m range.

It may be spread out, but the effect of those extremely tall clusters surrounded by low rise development is still fantastic. It's like a Houston or L.A on steroids, with more interesting buildings.

Again, I don't think hyper desnity is needed. Look at Frankfurt, the buildings viewed from certain angles make a great skyline even though it is not a very dense city.
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Yes it is.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 07:36 AM   #837
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Old February 18th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #838
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Old February 18th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #839
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I'm not sure where all the hate for Dubai's towers or skyline comes from. I think part of it is envy. I know i'm envious of it.

Some people call their towers "gawdy". At least they are putting unique towers up though. I get really tired of the thousands of interpretations of a box that we build here. I could only dream that we had a skyline like these people are putting up.
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I'm not sure where all the hate for Dubai's towers or skyline comes from. I think part of it is envy. I know i'm envious of it.

Some people call their towers "gawdy". At least they are putting unique towers up though. I get really tired of the thousands of interpretations of a box that we build here. I could only dream that we had a skyline like these people are putting up.
Absolutely agree.
The envy is much more apparent than a lot of the haters think.
I watch the Toronto skyscraper construction forums pretty closely and just about all I ever see are boxes. People get really excited about these boxes just because they're tall , not because they're particularly interesting to look at.

I happen to agree that a lot of what Dubai builds is gaudy but at least it's not all the same in massing and facade. To be fair , very little of it is particularly avant garde either but at least it's not just a bunch of boxes. To be sure , there are boxes but still plenty of variety overall.
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