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Old July 22nd, 2011, 04:48 PM   #81
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610 meters roof height plus what looks like 100 meter antennae, in total the height to tip could rival that of Mumbai's 720m India Tower.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 04:53 PM   #82
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Here is a bit of a critical approach to the plan.
I love how that critique turns on the fact that Bill Davies isn't some big, trusted, local Chicago developer. So where were those guys? Paul Beitler couldn't pull his supertall off, Rubloff couldn't dream this big, and Sam Zell....well, he's Sam Zell. Davies may not be everyone's ideal Warren Buffet figure but how many supertall developers are? In many cases the biggest difference between the guy who gets things built and the guy who slithers out of town like a detested Bernie Madoff is money, and Davies has it. As for the logistical and political obstacles, Chicago is run by unions, and they're out of work. Assuming this whole thing isn't some sort of cruel con job, I would expect a VERY malleable approval process.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 04:56 PM   #83
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quite interesting Proposal , i hope this one will see the day of light in the near future...unlike the Spire.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 05:01 PM   #84
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You Chicagoans don't seem to be very excited about this. Of course, based on all the 'tallest' proposals that have never come to fruition, Chicago may be the most snake-bitten of cities.
A few reasons obviously starting with the economy. In even the most optimistic of times this would be an absolutely gigantic undertaking rivaling if not surpassing any the city has ever seen. It would be amazing if he could pull off a full reuse of the actual post office itself let alone build a whole district complex that would make McCormick Place Convention Center look modest.

Number two. This guy has a habit in his home country of England of rolling out big plans while failing to deliver supposedly. Also I think most people figure these are rudimentary place holders in terms of design.

That said the building and location does have absolutely massive potential especially in regard to retail and tourist potential IMO. I am not as inclined to see it having a huge promise in terms of residential and even less in office space. If he can somehow pull in the eventual downtown Chicago casino (which is presently being proposed in the state legislator) that could be the ultimate game changer and open a MUCH wider retail and hospitality possibilities. Even if the Old Post office hosted a future casino I still don't see much use in the office or residential portions of his plans.

There is arguably no better spot in the whole Midwest from a transportation infrastructure perspective given it is that nexus of Amtrak, Chicago's regional Metra, Chicago L Blue Line (which runs 24/7), potential airport express (if placed Union Station as has been discussed), the junction of three major highways downtown, and even potential river traffic. If somehow attached to Union Station (Amtrak/Metra) which is right across the street it has the potential of being an entertainment/retail complex where one wouldn't even have to walk outside for the weekend to come play the slots, water park, go to IKEA, or whatever else they have talked about putting there before.

Personally, my modest hopes is to wish for a complex that finds a use for most of the original building. A tasteful redevelopment of the river front for residents and tourist. Then perhaps make some quality pedestrian connections with the CTA Blue Line/Union Station or eventual revamped HSR station. Any tall buildings or additions to the complex would be a bonus depending on the quality of design of course.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 05:04 PM   #85
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from http://www.chicagorealestatedaily.co...st-office-plan

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very nice twin structure, perfectly suits chicago in my opinion
Very reminiscent of Willis Tower

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Old July 22nd, 2011, 07:15 PM   #86
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Looks like they smashed Sears and Hancock together. Not every building in Chicago has to have TWO antennas. Hopefully they go the original WTC route and put antennas on one and an observation deck on the other. A 2000 foot outdoor observation deck? Yes please.

If this ever happens, that is.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 07:23 PM   #87
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Great design, and the main tower looks like it'll fit in well if it ever gets built. I'm not so sure about the smaller twin towers in front of the main tower, but it's still a great development. I have some serious doubts that it'll ever get built, but I can dream right?
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 08:10 PM   #88
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I really want this to get built. I'm getting sick of seeing all the 600+ meter towers U/C in only the Mid-East or East Asia. It's time for the US to step it up!
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 08:13 PM   #89
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I would love to see something monstrous like this get built in Chicago. I'm tired of all the insanely tall buildings being in Asia. I'd love to see one in the US!
Glad I'm not the only one
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 08:29 PM   #90
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Pessimism is the main feature that follows this news..

1,001 Reasons That Bill Davies' Post Office Pipe Dream Will Fail
Friday, July 22, 2011, by Mark Boyer



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Less than 24 hours have passed since British developer Bill Davies unveiled plans for a proposed mega-development on the Near South Side, but it isn't too soon to count the reasons why the proposal is destined for the dustbin. Soon after Crain's published its report on Davies' plans yesterday, a commenter offered this knee-jerk reaction: "Every developer trying to build a new tallest for Chicago has failed since the 1970s. Every developer trying to redevelop the Post Office has also failed. What happens if you try both at THE SAME TIME??" Hard to argue with that. Look no further than the 76-foot-deep hole in the ground in Streeterville for the most recent example of a foreign developer who came to the shores of Lake Michigan with sky-high ambitions, never to be realized. Next, you have to look at the developer's track record. Today, Sun-Times reporter David Roeder tells us about two of Davies' aborted development plans in Liverpool, and that he has developed a reputation as a 'flipper,' not a finisher.

None of that matters if Davies can come up with the money to fund this project, right? Sure, but Davies and his people have offered no explanation of how the megadevelopment would be funded. "Typically, when a developer unveils a major project, there is at least a contingent commitment from some pension fund, some financial syndicate, some sovereign wealth fund, some shadowy Russian billionaire–some somebody," writes David Greising in a column for the Chicago News Cooperative. "In this case, there's nobody."

Greising also identifies an issue with the placement of the 2,000-foot tower: A different developer, J. Paul Beitler, tells him that an air vacuum would be created between the Willis Tower and Davies' 120-story tower, sucking out the windows of both buildings. He also says that radiation from the Willis Tower antennae would make the upper floors hazardous.

And what about the Old Main Post Office building? As Greising points out in his CNC piece, the building is on the National Register of Historic Places, which would prevent the developer from obscuring the public's view of it. In the rendering released yesterday, the nine-story building is buried under one of those enormous parking garages, with a big green roof and a dome over it.

Putting aside all of that and suspending disbelief for a moment, there's also the question of whether this is something that Chicago actually needs or wants. Despite the towers, the development, with its 12,000-car garage, is as anti-urban as it could possibly be, a fact that architect Laurence Booth basically acknowledged when he said, "you have to think about what people really want and, as simple as it sounds, they want free parking," Booth said. "That's why they shop in the suburbs. If we have free parking in the city, they're going to come and park and shop."
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 10:02 PM   #91
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I made a model of main tower..Look at this..Crazy!!
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Thanks for doing that.

A couple critiques, though:

In the 3D renders you've placed it in the wrong location. I also think you've made it far wider (thicker) than the actual site it's slated for would allow.

You show it in the correct place on the last map image, but in the skyline views you have it about two blocks south of where it would actually be.

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RE: Beitler's "air vacuum comment"

I don't see how that's at all possible. The two buildings would be nearly 1/2 mile from each other. It would be like saying that the Spire would create an "air vacuum" with the Aon tower.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 10:06 PM   #92
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I've got a small question, how can this cost 3.5 billion if 1WTC, which is far smaller, costs 3,1 billion?
Typically, a skyscraper costs between $ 400 to $ 800/SF, so that would mean that the whole 16 Million SF project would cost between $ 7-10 Billion. Perhaps the $ 3.5 Billion figure is being quoted for the main tower alone?
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 10:09 PM   #93
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Thanks for doing that.

A couple critiques, though:

In the 3D renders you've placed it in the wrong location. I also think you've made it far wider (thicker) than the actual site it's slated for would allow.

You show it in the correct place on the last map image, but in the skyline views you have it about two blocks south of where it would actually be.

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RE: Beitler's "air vacuum comment"

I don't see how that's at all possible. The two buildings would be nearly 1/2 mile from each other. It would be like saying that the Spire would create an "air vacuum" with the Aon tower.
Yes, you're right, thanks for correction..It should be across the street..I'll fix that and make it detailed..
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 10:09 PM   #94
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A little render i made. The antennas are there, just not visible from this angle.

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Old July 22nd, 2011, 10:32 PM   #95
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You Chicagoans don't seem to be very excited about this. Of course, based on all the 'tallest' proposals that have never come to fruition, Chicago may be the most snake-bitten of cities.
We're not excited because it's an outrageous proposal. Putting two towers in front of the main post office and blocking the view of it from the river is just a bone-headed move. Also, 12,000 parking spaces? Please, that's just insulting, especially considering it's all along the river.

Anyway, Chicago may have a lot of "tallest" proposals that never came to fruition but we still have the most supertalls in the country so I say keep proposing them and something will eventually be built. However, I personally don't want to see a 2000ft tower here, especially not in this location or where the Spire was suppose to go.
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We're not excited because it's an outrageous proposal. Putting two towers in front of the main post office and blocking the view of it from the river is just a bone-headed move. Also, 12,000 parking spaces? Please, that's just insulting, especially considering it's all along the river.

Anyway, Chicago may have a lot of "tallest" proposals that never came to fruition but we still have the most supertalls in the country so I say keep proposing them and something will eventually be built. However, I personally don't want to see a 2000ft tower here, especially not in this location or where the Spire was suppose to go.
Good God. Calm down. It's a post office. This is SKYSCRAPERCITY-fricking.com
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However, I personally don't want to see a 2000ft tower here, especially not in this location or where the Spire was suppose to go.
Where would you want a 2,000 footer to go?
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I am calm, are you? And yes, I know this is SKYSCRAPERCITY-fricking.com, I don't know what made you think I was unaware of that fact.
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whats wrong with a 2000 ft tower in chicago? this city already has enough height and density to aesthetically accomodate it pretty well. i do agree though that the 12000 parking spaces is absurd. there should be some scaling back and modifications of some parts of this plan before it goes through.
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Where would you want a 2,000 footer to go?
I don't really care for a 2000 footer but if one were to be built I think right in the middle of the loop would be the best location. Madison and Wells? There are 2 huge parking garages on opposite sides of that street and I hope one of them become a supertall one day. Also, I think Wolf Point is another great location for a supertal.
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