Rugby Union Tri Nations and World Cup 2011 - Page 4

ross_the_man · August 6th, 2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danix

I'm not so sure to be honest. The World Cup is gonna be tough. I think Ireland have a good shot at beating us in the pool stages. Which will make things really interesting.

England will also be very strong. Boks are better than us too. Our back line is immense, but thats useless when our forwards get dominated at the break.

TOCC · August 6th, 2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BrizzyChris

30 - 14. Wallabies got taught a harsh lesson tonight. Carter is in a completely different league to Cooper, no comparison.

Boks will be licking their lips for next week now.

Cooper had an off night, but to say they arent even comparable is a bit of a laugh considering the Quade was in a winning team against Carter twice this year in Super Rugby.

***BrizzyChris*** · August 6th, 2011, 02:17 PM

A mistake most Aussies make a lot - Super Rugby is NOT Test rugby. As was shown tonight.

In terms of Australia being #2...I meant based on the IRB rankings.

17 floors up · August 7th, 2011, 01:25 AM

Higgers has to be in the starting line up. That was really disappointing from the Wallabies.

TOCC · August 7th, 2011, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BrizzyChris

A mistake most Aussies make a lot - Super Rugby is NOT Test rugby. As was shown tonight.

In terms of Australia being #2...I meant based on the IRB rankings.

no, but one test match doesnt close the case, QC out performed Carter in Hongkers last year as well.. Super Rugby isnt Test rugby but you that doesnt mean you cant compare the talent of players there.

QC had a bad night, but to make claims like this is drastically over the top

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Carter is in a completely different league to Cooper, no comparison.

brisbanite · August 7th, 2011, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BrizzyChris

The ferocity of your reply simply backs by point. If test RL was worthwhile, you wouldn't have had to put up such a debate. Of course the people running the show want to make it more popular, that's their job. What I'm saying, is that it seems unlikely to gain much more popularity beyond what it currently has now. The last world cup was virtually unknown until about 6 months before it kicked off - and that was in the country hosting it! And I bet if you asked 99% of Aussie RL fans, they would prefer NRL and Origin games over tests.

Anway, this is completely off topic.

I know it is completely off topic but surely a bloke has a right of reply to comments he feels is inaccurate? BrizzyChris I'm not delusional, I know that Internationals are not as popular as Origins but they do still hold a place in the RL landscape as ratings as evident by the ratings they receive.

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Originally Posted by Wezza

Can we get over the RL v RU shit?

Not sure what you were reading but nowhere was RU mentioned in my debate with BrizzyChris, just merely having my right of reply as everyone should be entitled to have and to the contrary I follow all sport and have been enjoying some of the Uniuon this season but Gan Eden has taken things beyond anything acceptable.

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Originally Posted by 17 floors up

Higgers has to be in the starting line up. That was really disappointing from the Wallabies.

I was also impressed with Higgerbotham, he was enourmous for us when he came on but I really question taking difficult shots at goal at 17-nil down, the Wallabies have done this in the past, goalkicking is not our strength and all it did was lose O'Connor's confidence. I stll think we went ok in patches, we just didn't execute well.

TOCC · August 7th, 2011, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by brisbanite

I know it is completely off topic but surely a bloke has a right of reply to comments he feels is inaccurate? BrizzyChris I'm not delusional, I know that Internationals are not as popular as Origins but they do still hold a place in the RL landscape as ratings as evident by the ratings they receive.

Not sure what you were reading but nowhere was RU mentioned in my debate with BrizzyChris, just merely having my right of reply as everyone should be entitled to have and to the contrary I follow all sport and have been enjoying some of the Uniuon this season but Gan Eden has taken things beyond anything acceptable.

Brisbanite correct me if im wrong, i think you have misinterepreted Chris's comments, the whole point of his comment is that State Of Origin is the pinnacle of rugby league for Australians.. This is subsequently reinforced by the ratings and crowds, in other sports(union & soccer), the international game rates higher then domestic games, in rugby league its the other way around.

I dont think you should interpret that as a negative thing, but its the reality of the situation.

brisbanite · August 7th, 2011, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TOCC

Brisbanite correct me if im wrong, i think you have misinterepreted Chris's comments, the whole point of his comment is that State Of Origin is the pinnacle of rugby league for Australians.. This is subsequently reinforced by the ratings and crowds, in other sports(union & soccer), the international game rates higher then domestic games, in rugby league its the other way around.

I dont think you should interpret that as a negative thing, but its the reality of the situation.

Yeah looking at his original comment I probably misinterpreted it a bit, I know that Origins are maybe the pinnacle for fans but for players, playing for your country is still the highest honour you can have. But RL admin istrators shouldn't just neglect Internationals as was more or less stated and as from this article good to see thay aren't.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nr...-1226107838816

ross_the_man · August 7th, 2011, 12:31 PM

Playing for your country is the pinnacle for any player because it means you're the best of the best. However, in terms of importance from a viewer perspective Origin is by far the pinnacle. In fact, the outcome of the Origin is probably more important to the players than any international game, but playing for your country means you are the best in that position which is what every player strives for.

Ok, now discuss rugby. Wallabies weren't so hot the other night, will probably lose in South Africa, but the Bledisloe on our own turf will be totally different.

***BrizzyChris*** · August 8th, 2011, 02:02 AM

Well, now that the Boks are bringing back a lot of their top players, this weekend will be a lot tougher for the Wallabies. They still have a good shot to win though.

And yes, Higginbotham HAS to start!

***BrizzyChris*** · August 8th, 2011, 07:39 AM

England beat Wales 23 - 19 @ Twickenham on the weekend.

Scotland beat Ireland 10 - 6. (Must have been a snorefest). Ireland were resting some top players though.

Canada beat USA 28 - 22.

***BrizzyChris*** · August 14th, 2011, 02:00 AM

Very scrappy 14 - 6 win for the Wallabies over South Africa last night. Both teams looking pretty shabby.

gho · August 14th, 2011, 09:42 AM

Anyone see the NH games? are they going to provide any credible opposition this year? or is the All Blacks going to romp the WC.

17 floors up · August 18th, 2011, 03:25 AM

World Cup squad announced. Horwill is the new captain. Notable omission - Giteau.

Backs: Kurtley Beale, James O'Connor, Drew Mitchell, Digby Ioane, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Rob Horne, Pat McCabe, Anthony Faingaa, Berrick Barnes, Quade Cooper, Nick Phipps, Luke Burgess, Will Genia.

Forwards: Ben McCalman, Radike Samo, Wycliff Palu, David Pocock, Rocky Elsom, Scott Higginbotham, James Horwill (captain), Rob Simmons, Nathan Sharpe, Dan Vickerman, Ben Alexander, Sekope Kepu, James Slipper, Salesi Ma'afu, Stephen Moore, Saia Faingaa, Tatafu Polota-Nau.

***BrizzyChris*** · August 18th, 2011, 03:39 AM

Good move with Horwill to captain, because there is now no need to start Elsom. Giteau missing out is no surprise, he is not test level quality anymore (by Tri-Nations standards anyway).

No idea how Mitchell, Palu, Barnes, Slipper, Polata-Nau plan to get match fit in time...will be a struggle.

17 floors up · August 18th, 2011, 05:14 AM

Yep, Elsom can be cut free if need be. Pretty miraculous recovery for Mitchell isn't it?

***BrizzyChris*** · August 18th, 2011, 07:17 AM

Talk about it, I thought he had a fractured/broken leg???

17 floors up · August 18th, 2011, 08:06 AM

I think it might've been a dislocated ankle? Either way the footage showed his foot pointing one way and his leg the other!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgX-m...eature=related

Wezza · August 21st, 2011, 04:21 AM

South Africa beat the All Blacks in SA last night. 18-5 was the score. Now NZ & Australia are both locked on 9 points, makes the game next Saturday interesting!

cranerider · August 21st, 2011, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Wezza

South Africa beat the All Blacks in SA last night. 18-5 was the score. Now NZ & Australia are both locked on 9 points, makes the game next Saturday interesting!

Yes winner takes Tri Nations title...shame about James O'Connor not being there, he's become a vital player

August 7th, 2011, 12:31 PM	#69
ross_the_man Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canberra Posts: 3,707 Likes (Received): 11	Playing for your country is the pinnacle for any player because it means you're the best of the best. However, in terms of importance from a viewer perspective Origin is by far the pinnacle. In fact, the outcome of the Origin is probably more important to the players than any international game, but playing for your country means you are the best in that position which is what every player strives for. Ok, now discuss rugby. Wallabies weren't so hot the other night, will probably lose in South Africa, but the Bledisloe on our own turf will be totally different. __________________ Ain't no such thing as half way crooks!

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August 6th, 2011, 02:17 PM	#63
*BrizzyChris* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,016 Likes (Received): 99	A mistake most Aussies make a lot - Super Rugby is NOT Test rugby. As was shown tonight. In terms of Australia being #2...I meant based on the IRB rankings.

August 7th, 2011, 01:25 AM	#64
17 floors up Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 373 Likes (Received): 15	Higgers has to be in the starting line up. That was really disappointing from the Wallabies.

August 8th, 2011, 02:02 AM	#70
*BrizzyChris* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,016 Likes (Received): 99	Well, now that the Boks are bringing back a lot of their top players, this weekend will be a lot tougher for the Wallabies. They still have a good shot to win though. And yes, Higginbotham HAS to start!

August 8th, 2011, 07:39 AM	#71
*BrizzyChris* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,016 Likes (Received): 99	England beat Wales 23 - 19 @ Twickenham on the weekend. Scotland beat Ireland 10 - 6. (Must have been a snorefest). Ireland were resting some top players though. Canada beat USA 28 - 22.

August 14th, 2011, 02:00 AM	#72
*BrizzyChris* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,016 Likes (Received): 99	Very scrappy 14 - 6 win for the Wallabies over South Africa last night. Both teams looking pretty shabby.

August 14th, 2011, 09:42 AM	#73
gho Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Lincoln, South Australia Posts: 348 Likes (Received): 4	Anyone see the NH games? are they going to provide any credible opposition this year? or is the All Blacks going to romp the WC.

August 18th, 2011, 03:25 AM	#74
17 floors up Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 373 Likes (Received): 15	World Cup squad announced. Horwill is the new captain. Notable omission - Giteau. Backs: Kurtley Beale, James O'Connor, Drew Mitchell, Digby Ioane, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Rob Horne, Pat McCabe, Anthony Faingaa, Berrick Barnes, Quade Cooper, Nick Phipps, Luke Burgess, Will Genia. Forwards: Ben McCalman, Radike Samo, Wycliff Palu, David Pocock, Rocky Elsom, Scott Higginbotham, James Horwill (captain), Rob Simmons, Nathan Sharpe, Dan Vickerman, Ben Alexander, Sekope Kepu, James Slipper, Salesi Ma'afu, Stephen Moore, Saia Faingaa, Tatafu Polota-Nau.

August 18th, 2011, 03:39 AM	#75
*BrizzyChris* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,016 Likes (Received): 99	Good move with Horwill to captain, because there is now no need to start Elsom. Giteau missing out is no surprise, he is not test level quality anymore (by Tri-Nations standards anyway). No idea how Mitchell, Palu, Barnes, Slipper, Polata-Nau plan to get match fit in time...will be a struggle.

August 18th, 2011, 05:14 AM	#76
17 floors up Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 373 Likes (Received): 15	Yep, Elsom can be cut free if need be. Pretty miraculous recovery for Mitchell isn't it?

August 18th, 2011, 07:17 AM	#77
*BrizzyChris* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,016 Likes (Received): 99	Talk about it, I thought he had a fractured/broken leg???

August 18th, 2011, 08:06 AM	#78
17 floors up Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 373 Likes (Received): 15	I think it might've been a dislocated ankle? Either way the footage showed his foot pointing one way and his leg the other! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgX-m...eature=related

August 21st, 2011, 04:21 AM	#79
Wezza © Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Townsville Posts: 7,574 Likes (Received): 112	South Africa beat the All Blacks in SA last night. 18-5 was the score. Now NZ & Australia are both locked on 9 points, makes the game next Saturday interesting!