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Old July 22nd, 2011, 11:01 AM   #1
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SUZHOU | Zhongnan Center | 729m | 2392ft | 137 fl | On Hold

From http://www.abbs.com.cn/bbs/post/view...1&tpg=1&age=30


Preliminary images from the news http://wldst.2500sz.com/xdjm/szxw/20...2/910220.shtml






The press confirms the heights
http://sz.xinhuanet.com/2011-04/13/content_22511241.htm
http://www.dpchina.com/dpchina/showi...m=001&siteid=1

Hang Lung will develop one of the plots.

Still no formal design, but this one deserves a thread from the very beginning.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 01:42 PM   #2
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so ******* huge
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 05:09 PM   #3
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Interesting, right behind the Gate of the Orient. Going for symetry.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 06:12 PM   #4
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Old August 9th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #5
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It's absolutely a ridiculous project, they could better invest the money in the downtown area, which is so shabby and looks like its 1973 . But I guess it's just prestige.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 06:49 PM   #6
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What exactly is "absolutely ridiculous" about it?
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Old August 9th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #7
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Why would you build a tower like this, if the city looks so poor and dirty. The contrast is just so big. But that's China, huge differences. As a European it is a bit strange. Building a 500m tower in town that's no more than an average European provincial town.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #8
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Suzhou is definitely not a town, maybe you only saw the tourism side of the city? Also if a city is dirty and poor...you don't just leave it dirty and poor...u build things to improve it. 30 years ago, cities like Shenzhen were big farmlands/fishing villages. Finally, about the downtown thingy, I think most Chinese cities diversify their CBD by trying to have more than one CBD which is good.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #9
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Calling Suzhou a town is just wrong. Suzhou has a urban population of nearly 2,5 million people and it's GDP per capita is as high as Shanghai's GDP per capita (higher than Beijing's). And if you consider the massive urbanization that is going on in China, in 10 years this CBD will be right in the city center of Suzhou. This multi-cored city planning is good for handling the traffic, so not everyone is heading to the same part of the city to work.

But we Europeans (I'm German) tend to think that those Chinese city planners are like kids with a lot of money and dumb as hell. Perhaps just some strange sense of superiority.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 06:33 AM   #10
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I agree, it might just be some strange sense of superiority or strange priorities. Developing a new CBD, but forgetting to develop the (old) downtown area and maybe also some other parts of town. We will see, maybe in the future Suzhou will be a great metropolis, but at the moment I still have my doubts.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:17 AM   #11
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I like these but I am a bit down that these wont be in the CBD there nice towers.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 12:39 PM   #12
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Does anyone else also find it a bit strange that the latest renders posted by z0rg resembles Shanghai Tower?

Sigh.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 01:26 PM   #13
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Does anyone else also find it a bit strange that the latest renders posted by z0rg resembles Shanghai Tower?

Sigh.
Yes, it really looks like ST.
Probably this is just a master plan and those are just placeholders.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 11:06 AM   #14
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Why would you build a tower like this, if the city looks so poor and dirty. The contrast is just so big. But that's China, huge differences. As a European it is a bit strange. Building a 500m tower in town that's no more than an average European provincial town.
Downtown Suzhou (the area within the city wall) is more than 2500 years old. The walled city of Wu (modern day Suzhou) was built in 512 B.C., and was never destroyed or moved in war fire or natural disaster (unlike Xi'an or Beijing, which have been numerously rebuilt). The city itself is a cultural relic and the government has set a limit of heights that buildings could be built within the city wall to deliberately prevent it from looking modern.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 11:20 AM   #15
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do the city really need a 500 meter skyscraper? or just another egonistic idea of the real estate developer?
bank who bankroll the development better think twice. after all suzhou is not shanghai nor shenzhen.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 04:52 AM   #16
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why always the same kind of comments in every Chinese skyscraper threads?

FYI, Suzhou has "10,465,994" people from 2010 census, I would call it a mega city already.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 05:19 AM   #17
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Ignore the troll Cocomilk, he knows nothing of the world.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 07:35 AM   #18
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Oi, can we stop calling people "trolls" just for disagreeing with a supertall project? Though he (she?) may be wrong to imply that these sorts of buildings are necessary or justifiable in places like Shenzhen or Shanghai, he/she is still bringing up a valid point. It'd be more realistic, and ultimately useful economically to build four 200m buildings or three 200m and one 300m buildings than to build 500m and 400m towers. Maybe it's sort of a moot point because these are mostly vanity projects so they'll be built whether or not they're needed, but bringing this issue up doesn't make them a troll. Let's just call them conscientious objectors. Those are allowed.

Anywho, the design of these towers does nothing for me at present. I know that proposals for towers of these heights are almost ubiquitous by now, but can't we still try something different every once in a while? Especially with the unique Gate of the Orient nearby.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 07:40 AM   #19
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**** it, I cant see the pictures :S
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Old October 27th, 2011, 09:27 AM   #20
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Oi, can we stop calling people "trolls" just for disagreeing with a supertall project? Though he (she?) may be wrong to imply that these sorts of buildings are necessary or justifiable in places like Shenzhen or Shanghai, he/she is still bringing up a valid point. It'd be more realistic, and ultimately useful economically to build four 200m buildings or three 200m and one 300m buildings than to build 500m and 400m towers. Maybe it's sort of a moot point because these are mostly vanity projects so they'll be built whether or not they're needed, but bringing this issue up doesn't make them a troll. Let's just call them conscientious objectors. Those are allowed.

Anywho, the design of these towers does nothing for me at present. I know that proposals for towers of these heights are almost ubiquitous by now, but can't we still try something different every once in a while? Especially with the unique Gate of the Orient nearby.
The final renderings are yet to be released. Its pretty much a massing model now showing the impact on the skyline.
Regarding JoelQue: He basicly has been crying about a property buble for years in China. Every suptall is a calling card for a massive correction in the property market. He's pretty much a broken record to me.
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