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Old July 31st, 2011, 12:37 AM   #21
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Old July 31st, 2011, 02:47 AM   #22
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I have to agree with these guys...theres just so much more variety in MLB. Every other stadium just looks the same and bland, but each one in MLB is unique.
There may indeed be more variety in MLB stadia, but sadly most of what the architects and owners really used their freedoms for is just awful kitsch or gigantic advertisement boards.

And somehow hardly any baseball stadium ever ends up very high up in a list of most beautiful stadia. In my opinion that's partially because their odd looking shape and then also because they often tend to look like patchwork stadia. Rectangular or oval stadia can fairly easily and effectively be designed into an appealing overal shape or three dimensional kind of sculpture, with a modern roof and exterior design.

All in all I would even partially disagree with the statement that Baseball stadia really do have more variety than soccer stadia. Especially when it comes to exterior design I personally believe that rectangular and oval stadia do have more variety than baseball stadia. Most baseball stadia just have some simple and common kind of typically American brick or industrial building style of facade, they're hardly ever anything stunning, impressive or beautiful.
I would say that only the arrangement of the stands and the interiors of baseball stadia really do happen to offer a larger variety than rectangular or oval stadia.

And when judging a leagues stadia overall and all taken together, then I agree that the MLB is certainly a really hot candidate for a top spot. It does indeed have plenty of very nice stadia, but what it lacks are the really outstanding architectural superlatives.

It certainly lacks those really outstandingly beautiful single stadia which would have a fair chance of ending up in one of the top ranks of a worldwide architectural ranking list.

I personally wouldn't put even a single one of the better known MLB stadia into the personal top 20 of the most beautiful stadia in the world. There might be one or two somewhere in my top 50. But there simply is no baseball stadium around that matches the aesthetics of Berlins Olympiastadion for example, or the Birds nest, or the Allianz Arena, the WC stadium in Cape Town, the Donetzk Arena or, to also pick an American example, the Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington and not to mention the "soccer volcano" stadium the Estadio Omnilife in Guadalajara, the solar powered "dragon" stadium in Khaosiung and so on... I could continue this list of really truely outstanding stadium architectures almost forever.

I really do also like baseball stadia, especially the interiors and I also certainly appreciate the variety of setups and stands and all that, I even like some of the kitch here and there, that makes them unique, but I really just don't know of any baseball stadiums that are anywhere nearly as beautiful as those examples of top modern architecture of rectangular or oval stadia.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 03:26 AM   #23
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There may indeed be more variety in MLB stadia, but sadly most of what the architects and owners really used their freedoms for is just awful kitsch or gigantic advertisement boards.

And somehow hardly any baseball stadium ever ends up very high up in a list of most beautiful stadia. In my opinion that's partially because their odd looking shape and then also because they often tend to look like patchwork stadia. Rectangular or oval stadia can fairly easily and effectively be designed into an appealing overal shape or three dimensional kind of sculpture, with a modern roof and exterior design.

All in all I would even partially disagree with the statement that Baseball stadia really do have more variety than soccer stadia. Especially when it comes to exterior design I personally believe that rectangular and oval stadia do have more variety than baseball stadia. Most baseball stadia just have some simple and common kind of typically American brick or industrial building style of facade, they're hardly ever anything stunning, impressive or beautiful.
I would say that only the arrangement of the stands and the interiors of baseball stadia really do happen to offer a larger variety than rectangular or oval stadia.

And when judging a leagues stadia overall and all taken together, then I agree that the MLB is certainly a really hot candidate for a top spot. It does indeed have plenty of very nice stadia, but what it lacks are the really outstanding architectural superlatives.

It certainly lacks those really outstandingly beautiful single stadia which would have a fair chance of ending up in one of the top ranks of a worldwide architectural ranking list.

I personally wouldn't put even a single one of the better known MLB stadia into the personal top 20 of the most beautiful stadia in the world. There might be one or two somewhere in my top 50. But there simply is no baseball stadium around that matches the aesthetics of Berlins Olympiastadion for example, or the Birds nest, or the Allianz Arena, the WC stadium in Cape Town, the Donetzk Arena or, to also pick an American example, the Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington and not to mention the "soccer volcano" stadium the Estadio Omnilife in Guadalajara, the solar powered "dragon" stadium in Khaosiung and so on... I could continue this list of really truely outstanding stadium architectures almost forever.

I really do also like baseball stadia, especially the interiors and I also certainly appreciate the variety of setups and stands and all that, I even like some of the kitch here and there, that makes them unique, but I really just don't know of any baseball stadiums that are anywhere nearly as beautiful as those examples of top modern architecture of rectangular or oval stadia.
Different architectural tastes in different parts of the world I suppose. I love the brick and stone stadiums of Busch, Yankee, etc way more than the office park looking stadiums like Cowboys. Some of the best looking college football stadiums IMO use brick also such as the Michigan, Minnesota, Texas,& Florida State stadiums

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Old July 31st, 2011, 06:56 AM   #24
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In terms of football leagues it's definitely the Bundesliga.

They've done a great job over the past decade to modernise their stadiums and increase attendances.

The Premier League has the potential the be up there if some of the proposed grounds get built though.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 09:41 AM   #25
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If you mean football with a round ball, then yes, by quite a distance.

However, I have high respect for the nfl, even college football has a crazily good standard of football stadiums. Furthermore, I'd say that the worst nfl stadium (probably candlestick, which is being replaced anyway) is still better than the worst bundesliga stadium (most likely Freiburg's stadium, which is not a pretty stadium by any measure).
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Old July 31st, 2011, 10:50 AM   #26
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Certainly the Spanish La Liga!
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Old July 31st, 2011, 11:27 AM   #27
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Baseball, although the one in my home town (Toronto) isn't that good. The Skydome is akin to watching a sporting event at a shopping centre. The crappy stadium is helping kill both baseball and football in this city.
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I think one thing a lot of baseball stadiums have is a view through the open corner towards the city skyline. That helps create an impression beyond that of the stadium itself, and can be appealing for that reason.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 01:37 PM   #29
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Most baseball stadia just have some simple and common kind of typically American brick or industrial building style of facade, they're hardly ever anything stunning, impressive or beautiful.
You're right. The retro look was beaten to death, but some real jewels came from the frenzy.

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I think one thing a lot of baseball stadiums have is a view through the open corner towards the city skyline. That helps create an impression beyond that of the stadium itself, and can be appealing for that reason.
I have high hopes for Miami's new baseball stadium. Not only will it have an amazing skyline view, but it'll just stand out in the MLB ranks because of it's design.





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Old July 31st, 2011, 01:50 PM   #30
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Old July 31st, 2011, 02:00 PM   #31
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i do love that new Miami ballpark
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Old July 31st, 2011, 03:35 PM   #32
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MLB and its not close.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 03:46 PM   #33
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Old July 31st, 2011, 03:54 PM   #34
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Indeed, I have to say Bundesliga, the best engineers in the world are the Germans.
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Bundesliga and NFL. Bundesliga arena's just in general look great. NFL in sheer size is impressive, but the looks in many cases aren't IMO. You could say kind of the same about La Liga's top teams big stadiums, but those aren't exactly great looking either. Don't really find much special about the open baseball stadiums.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 07:56 PM   #36
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But to me some of the greatest stadiums are the older ones like Santiago Bernabeu (the steepnes of the stands, History, charm etc). Some of these newer stadiums look like shopping malls.
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Bundesliga and Netherlands also the worst is Serie A.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 01:40 AM   #38
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I'd have to join those who say MLB.

Some absolute beauties.
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off-topic here but is that right field foul line out of view in the last shot of the marlins game ?
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off-topic here but is that right field foul line out of view in the last shot of the marlins game ?
it looks like on both sides, that if there is a homerun adjacent to the foul pole a few thousand people wont be able to see it
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