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Old July 30th, 2011, 02:05 AM   #1
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A motorway from Europe to the Middle East

I think a motorway from Europe to Middle East is an old dream. I think the dream from Europe is specially to have a motorway to Istanbul. That means it is possible to go from London (via Eurotunnel trains) and Paris to Istanbul and the Middle East only with motorways. But we are not there yet. But they are building some of the missing links:

First missing link is E80 from Nis in Serbia to Dimitrovgrad at the Bulgarian border. But in Serbia they are building a new motorway at this part. So this is comming.

Next missing link is E80 from Dimitrovgrad and Kalotina at the Serbian and Bulgarian border to Sofia. I think Bulgaria still not building this missing link. When are they going to start with this?

Next missing link is from Parvomay to Harmanli in Bulgaria. I think this part is under contruction. But how is this going now?

Another missing link is around the border to Turkey from the area around Kapitan Andreevo in Bulgaria to Edirne in Turkey. Some part of it is not even dual carriageway. When do they start building this part?

How is it working in the Middle East? From Ankara there is a lot of missing links to the rest of Turkey and to the neighbor countries in the rest of Middle East. But I think also that motorways are old dreams in Europa. To have motorway to Syria, Lebanon and even Iran and Iraq. But how is this going?

Can we think about a future with motorways from Beirut, Aleppo and Damascus to Europe? And one day even a motorway from Saudi Arabia to Europe? Or is this just dreams?
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Old July 30th, 2011, 04:26 AM   #2
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Why do you need a motorway to Saudi Arabia? If I ever go there by car, I'd be happy there's a road leading there at all. I think our only real interest is a motorway to Istanbul (which still lies in Europe after all), then you already have a motorway to Ankara and that's it. Not many Europeans drive further than that, at least not regularly so they'd need motorways. I think motorways there are pretty much their business.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 12:32 PM   #3
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Turkey has many 4-lane highways in the interior where no official Otoyol do exist.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 12:43 PM   #4
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I want a motorway Europe-Beijing! Following this route from Korczowa, EU Border: Korczowa/Krakovets (UA)-Kyiv-Kharkiv-Volgograd (RUS)-Uralsk (KZ)-Almaty-Horgos (CN)-Urumqi-Hami-Mazongshan-Ejinaqi-Bayannur-Hohhot-Beijing.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 01:46 PM   #5
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this road would be nice because of Israel,it has a lot of tourists and nice roads,although it is a very long drive...
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Old July 30th, 2011, 02:52 PM   #6
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Next missing link is E80 from Dimitrovgrad and Kalotina at the Serbian and Bulgarian border to Sofia. I think Bulgaria still not building this missing link. When are they going to start with this?
2012 hopefully. It should be ready by 2014-2015. The tenders will be in the beginning of 2012.

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Next missing link is from Parvomay to Harmanli in Bulgaria. I think this part is under contruction. But how is this going now?
The tenders for all of the remaining sections of the so-called Maritsa motorway have already been completed. It should be completed by 2013. Read more here.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 04:01 PM   #7
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I think a motorway from Europe to Middle East is an old dream. I think the dream from Europe is specially to have a motorway to Istanbul. That means it is possible to go from London (via Eurotunnel trains) and Paris to Istanbul and the Middle East only with motorways. But we are not there yet. But they are building some of the missing links:

First missing link is E80 from Nis in Serbia to Dimitrovgrad at the Bulgarian border. But in Serbia they are building a new motorway at this part. So this is comming.

Next missing link is E80 from Dimitrovgrad and Kalotina at the Serbian and Bulgarian border to Sofia. I think Bulgaria still not building this missing link. When are they going to start with this?

Next missing link is from Parvomay to Harmanli in Bulgaria. I think this part is under contruction. But how is this going now?

Another missing link is around the border to Turkey from the area around Kapitan Andreevo in Bulgaria to Edirne in Turkey. Some part of it is not even dual carriageway. When do they start building this part?

How is it working in the Middle East? From Ankara there is a lot of missing links to the rest of Turkey and to the neighbor countries in the rest of Middle East. But I think also that motorways are old dreams in Europa. To have motorway to Syria, Lebanon and even Iran and Iraq. But how is this going?

Can we think about a future with motorways from Beirut, Aleppo and Damascus to Europe? And one day even a motorway from Saudi Arabia to Europe? Or is this just dreams?
I strongly support this dream too.

Few corrections&answers:
1)Serbia is building only 1/5 section from Nis-Gradina(SRB/BG border). We are expecting more soon.
2)In Bulgaria we would build Sofia-Kalotina motorway til 2014-1015 as TrueBulgarian said. Then we would build the Northen speedy tangent that is a new motorway north from Sofia city but south from the current northern bypass. It would connect Western Sofia Ring Road with Eastern Sofia Ring Road. Then we would build a second bridge over Sofia-Istanbul railway near Kazichene. Start date:unknown.
3)Half of Parvomay-Harmanli section is already U/C. The contract for the other half would be signed next week.
4)The existing Harmanli-Kapitan Andreevo motorway is half profile around Svilengrad. This section is likely to be finished also by 2014-15.
5)A 4km section is currently U/C bypassing the bulgarian border village of Kapitan Andreevo. Unfortunately the border checkpoint is unlikely to be removed in near future, IMO. So no motorway in this section.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 04:05 PM   #8
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There is a motorway from Europe into the Sahara though, only the Strait of Gibraltar Bridge / Tunnel is missing. You can go all the way to Agadir by motorway.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 04:38 PM   #9
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It's gonna be largely one-way with all the immigration going on now
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Old July 31st, 2011, 12:57 AM   #10
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There is a motorway from Europe into the Sahara though, only the Strait of Gibraltar Bridge / Tunnel is missing. You can go all the way to Agadir by motorway.
Not quite yet, the Rabat bypass in Morocco is still not up to motorway standards. Three years to go for that to happen.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 04:31 PM   #11
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Well... such a motorway (Europe <-> Middle East) will be constructed sooner or later, simply thanks to various projects, which "by the way" will create something bigger.

- It's a mattter of time and money when Balkan Peninsula will have a series of motorway connections with Western and Central Europe. Turkey has already a fine motorway connection to Balkan countries. It's a matter of time and money when Turkey will develop a country-wide motorway system. It's a matter of time and money when Turkey will have a motorway connections with it's southern and eastern neighbours.

All these connections will be build mostly for local, regional, national, inter-EU purpouses. Pure transit is nearly always a small portion of traffic.
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Old July 31st, 2011, 04:37 PM   #12
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Well... such a motorway (Europe <-> Middle East) will be constructed sooner or later, simply thanks to various projects, which "by the way" will create something bigger.

- It's a mattter of time and money when Balkan Peninsula will have a series of motorway connections with Western and Central Europe. Turkey has already a fine motorway connection to Balkan countries. It's a matter of time and money when Turkey will develop a country-wide motorway system. It's a matter of time and money when Turkey will have a motorway connections with it's southern and eastern neighbours.

All these connections will be build mostly for local, regional, national, inter-EU purpouses. Pure transit is nearly always a small portion of traffic.
IMHO, Tukey has to build two important motorway connections
1)Istanbul-Egnatia Odos
2)A motorway across the Dardanelles
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Old August 1st, 2011, 12:46 PM   #13
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Another missing link is around the border to Turkey from the area around Kapitan Andreevo in Bulgaria to Edirne in Turkey. Some part of it is not even dual carriageway. When do they start building this part?
The road between Kaikule (Turkish BCP) and Edirne is completely 2x2 with shoulders... It is not classified as motorway, because it is the only connectiuon between Edirne and the border, but it is a high-quality highway and traffic flows perfectly there.

A lot was said about the Bulgarian part, so I won't discuss it.

About Turkey - I do not know about any plans to connect Ankara to the coast motorway, but even now it is a 2+2 highway suitable for heavy traffic.
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O-21 is planned / under construction from Ankara to Tarsus.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 01:00 PM   #15
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There's a visualization of African, Asian and European highways network by engineer Eugeniusz Buszma published in 1946:



Source (in Polish): http://www.nowedrogi.pl/index.php?op...d=32&Itemid=93 click Mapa 2 at the bottom
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There's a visualization of African, Asian and European highways network by engineer Eugeniusz Buszma published in 1946:
Interesting - why is Hammerfest in Lapland so important? Probably they just wanted a road that went the whole way to the top.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #17
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In Iran Tehran is connected to Tabriz by Freewa 600 km
There is Freeway planned between Tabriz and Turkish Border 280 km
So if Turkey builds Ankara Dogubayzit (Iran Border) Otoyol we can go from Tehran to Paris!
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Old September 11th, 2011, 11:30 PM   #18
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Interesting - why is Hammerfest in Lapland so important? Probably they just wanted a road that went the whole way to the top.
Or he just wanted motorway to Santa Claus' house. You know, who doesn't want that?
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Old September 11th, 2011, 11:49 PM   #19
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Also need a motorway.joining Malko Turnavo(bulgarian-turkish border)with Bourgas and continuing to Varna,Constanta(Romania),Moldova,Odessa(Ukraine).Basically along the European Black sea coast,connecting it to Asia.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 01:32 PM   #20
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I don't know about other missing parts across Europe but in Turkey we can't really say there is a missing part. Officially the part between Ankara and Adana might not be a motorway but this is the case with lot of 2x2 roads in Turkey.

For instance the Black Sea coastal road of 600km length is not a motorway officially but in fact it is one.


This is the "missing link" between Ankara and Adana. I think we can say that Europe is already connected to the mideast.
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