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View Poll Results: Which Building is Taller?
One World Trade Center 45 43.69%
Willis/Sears Tower 58 56.31%
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 04:25 PM   #21
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I say the house on the right



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Old October 2nd, 2011, 07:22 PM   #22
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Well that's an antenna on the house on the left
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Old October 4th, 2011, 02:01 PM   #23
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Definitely One World Trade Centre which has sueprior and more futuristic design, the it's architecture is pretty decent too.
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Old October 4th, 2011, 04:16 PM   #24
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I've got a question. If Daniel Libeskind would have a 1 meter haircut, would he be considered taller than the Great Khali?

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Old October 5th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #25
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Interesting debate here, people will argue about that forever..

Me personal opinion is that since the spires count, antennas should too..Everything on the building should count since it's part of the building..I would say no to antennas and no to spires, but some spires look amazing and make a huge role in design..So it would be fair to count antennas too..

So I'll go with 1WTC..
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Old October 6th, 2011, 03:59 AM   #26
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I know that various professional groups consider a dozen or so different criteria for ranking a structure's height. But for me, there are only two valid ways to measure a building's height. And both correspond to what the layperson or casual observer considers most important in judging a building's height.

First is roof height, because clearly to the casual observer a 1500 ft tall building is more impressive than a 1000 ft tall building with a 600 ft spire or antenna.

Second in importance is overall height, regardless of how it is achieved. Here, people generally rely more on the statistics they are fed rather than their own visual impressions.

So when comparing two buildings, each of which barely wins in one of the two categories, my preference has to be for the one with the taller roof height.

Willis Tower it is.
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Old October 7th, 2011, 12:11 AM   #27
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Well for the 1WTC/Willis comparison, roof height obviously works.

What about say, Shanghai Tower vs Pingan IFC though? Where is ST's roof in comparison to PIFC's? ST has a crown that covers it's "roof" while PIFC has a spire on top of a "cone" on top of it's "roof".

To the casual observer, those two would both be about equally imposing (ignoring SWFC, Jin Mao Tower and PIFC South Tower)
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Old October 7th, 2011, 12:30 AM   #28
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Crowns and parapets are okay because they are a true part of the building. However thin steel sticks aren't okay because they are not a part of the building, they are just thin steel sticks on the building and it doesn't matter whether they are called antennas or spires.

Btw, cone = crown
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And how are they not "true" parts of the building?
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Old October 7th, 2011, 01:09 PM   #30
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Because they are so minute compared to the building itself. Crowns and parapets have a far greater presence on top of a building than antennas and spires have.
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Old October 7th, 2011, 01:16 PM   #31
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Every time I come here I laugh at that Libeskind picture..

Kanto, question for you:

If building would have crown tall as 1/3 of the building (for an example, building is 300m tall and has 100m tallcrown), would you consider it as part of the building or not, like the spires?
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Old October 7th, 2011, 03:05 PM   #32
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That depends on how big it would be compared to the rest of the building, if it would be enough big compared to the roof, like Jasmil Super Tower's or Shanghai Tower's, I would count it, if it would be as thin compared to the roof as that of Abraj Al Bait, I would not. It all depends on whether it can be cathegorized as a thin steel stick or not

Btw, as to parapets, a parapet should only be counted if it is indistinguishable from the building itself, in other words, that of 1WTC or of the Goldman Sachs Tower next to 1WTC should count but that of the New York Times Tower should not
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Well the way you say it "if X applies, then Y" fails. It's either this or that. We shouldn't have to say "Hmm, well this building's parapet is virtually indistinguishable from it's actual roof, so that should count, but this building's parapet is thinner and obviously not of the roof of the building".
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Old October 8th, 2011, 12:58 PM   #34
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It's the same as the official height accepting spires but not antennas with the only difference that it is focused to fight thin steel stick cheating. That's perfectly the same "if X applies then Y" as the one being used by the CTBUH
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Old October 8th, 2011, 01:29 PM   #35
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I say Willis tower is taller, I don't want to see all new skyscrapers with tall thin spires.
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Old October 8th, 2011, 06:16 PM   #36
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@Knto. Spires are ornamental. Antennas are not.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 12:29 AM   #37
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That doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is that both are thin steel sticks
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Old October 9th, 2011, 07:33 PM   #38
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I think including antennae, spires, twisty hats, kitty-litter scoops, or any other decorative cap on the top of a building in the official height is nothing more than a good old fashioned "cheat", and merely a way of breaking into the Supertall Club without having any usable floors at a truly impressive height.
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That doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is that both are thin steel sticks
But one steel stick is part of the design and the design likely wouldn't work without it. And the other steel stick actually has a use and the building's design could work without it.
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Every design could work both with a thin steel stick and without it, so you see they are really the same. A spire really is cheating. A building is a building, not a thin steel stick.
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