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View Poll Results: Which Building is Taller?
One World Trade Center 45 43.69%
Willis/Sears Tower 58 56.31%
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Old October 9th, 2011, 10:32 PM   #41
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Imagine Petronas without their spires. Imagine ESB without it's spire. Imagine Abraj Al Bait without it's spire.

And obviously spires aren't buildings. They're spires.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 11:03 PM   #42
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Willis (gag) Tower is obviously taller in terms of roof height. I don't like counting spires or antennas either...

But I'm going to go with Tower 1...
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Old October 10th, 2011, 12:16 AM   #43
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Imagine Petronas without their spires. Imagine ESB without it's spire. Imagine Abraj Al Bait without it's spire.

And obviously spires aren't buildings. They're spires.
No problem, all of them would look good without their spires.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 12:21 AM   #44
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Yeah right. You're just saying that to disagree with me. There's a reason roof height isn't used anymore Knto. No one's forcing you to use the official measurements. Just quit shoving roof height down everyone else's throats.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 12:29 AM   #45
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Old October 10th, 2011, 05:31 AM   #46
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How am I bullying you.

Quit trolling me
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Old October 11th, 2011, 04:12 PM   #47
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1WTC of course, because it's taller, stronger and most important more beautiful than Sears Tower.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 04:48 PM   #48
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Crowns and parapets are okay because they are a true part of the building. However thin steel sticks aren't okay because they are not a part of the building, they are just thin steel sticks on the building and it doesn't matter whether they are called antennas or spires.

Btw, cone = crown
By your logic, which of the following buildings are taller?

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Old October 11th, 2011, 05:09 PM   #49
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Well, if the Spire is an integrated part of the buildings design, I would count it.

1WTC without the antenna/spire looks basicaly the same, so I wouldn't count that.

The Burj Khalifa would look totaly different without all its small steps above the last floor, so I would count it.

Chicagos Willis Tower, or John Hancock Center or Trump Tower would not look much different without the antennae/spires, so don't count them

Or what is with the "7 Sisters" of Moscow? Cut off their spires and most of them would look quite different (not to mention
the FederationTower, wich is the ultimate spire-cheater - but its also a important part of the design in this one). So count them.

Its not a question of strict yes or no, its a matter of the single individual design really.
So, for Avian001 example I would say the first 2: don't count the spire and the last 3: count it

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By your logic, which of the following buildings are taller?

The first two shouldn't count but the last three should count because in my opinion the first two have a spire and the last three have a crown
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I think it's a very fuzzy line between spire, crown, etc. which is why I made the diagram. It's a fun question though, and the fact that there could still be 5 more examples between buildings 2 & 3 proves that it is a subjective definition.

I think many people here want a definitive, black-or-white answer, but it's not possible.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 08:32 PM   #52
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Even if possible it is still very difficult. It is the same as with the CTBUH rule that 50% of the official height must be floors in order for the building to be a building and not an observation tower. I bet that there was a hell of a battle before those 50% were approved
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The 50% rule is nothing like the roof vs spire debate. If someone's trying to build a skyscraper, obviously they're going to maximize space, both height wise and area wise. An observation tower has what, maybe a few floors and an observation deck? Also, they're designs are generally narrow and wouldn't be favorable to be used for living and working.

Although buildings and towers might both be able to be considered "skyscrapers" due to how tall they are ("scraping" the sky), there is a fine line what constitutes a building and an observation/TV tower.

Also, it has nothing to do with the roof height debate.
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It has to do one thing with it and that is the fact that both the 50% habitable space rule and my proposed minimal thickness of an addon to be considered a crown, not a spire rule are both a matter of numbers and both are open to debate
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Why are you bringing up TV towers in a roof vs spire debate about skyscrapers? Also, stop using smileys with me. I'm not here to smile with you.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 12:58 AM   #56
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