Co-op Department Store HOTEL | Newcastle | 5fl | Proposed

[Seamaster]

Regardless of what happens to that building, the Co-op supermarket is finished. They had a good run, but decent competition — at last — will see them off.

[paddytoonleics]

Aren't the neon light clock and barometer in the listing doc? (I think someone posted bits of it on here a while ago...if not, then I've made it up and it's just wishful thinking). I do like them, it's like our own little OXO towers.....

[Steve Ellwood]

Originally Posted by paddytoonleics

Aren't the neon light clock and barometer in the listing doc? (I think someone posted bits of it on here a while ago...if not, then I've made it up and it's just wishful thinking). I do like them, it's like our own little OXO towers.....

Yup - Left tower has barometer; right has clock with the letters C O O P E R A T I V E in places of figures. Listing NGR: NZ2453664337

[Newcastle Historian]

Originally Posted by paddytoonleics

Aren't the neon light clock and barometer in the listing doc? (I think someone posted bits of it on here a while ago...if not, then I've made it up and it's just wishful thinking). I do like them, it's like our own little OXO towers.....

Originally Posted by Steve Ellwood

Yup - Left tower has barometer; right has clock with the letters C O O P E R A T I V E in places of figures.

Listing NGR: NZ2453664337
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The BAROMETER Tower - from the 'Department Stores' Thread . .

[newcastlepubs]

Marriot did a good job on the conversion of the old Speke Airport terminal building into a hotel. Different architectural influence but there's a degree of overlap.

[Posted Away]

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

The BAROMETER Tower - from the 'Department Stores' Thread . .

Does that barometer actually work, or is it stuck on "Stormy" forever?

[kieron79]

Be great to re-instate it if it doesn't

[Steve Ellwood]

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

Half-price deal for Co-op Department Store
after property market falls
by Peter McCusker, The Journal, July 13th 2011


THE prospective buyers of the former Co-op department store in Newcastle city centre have sealed the deal for less than half its original price.

It emerged yesterday that the landmark Newgate Street building had been conditionally sold for £12m for conversion into a hotel and other leisure uses.

When it was first put up for sale in 2007 it had a £25m price tag but since then property values nationwide have plunged.

Overseas investors looking for a safe haven for their cash are understood to have bought the building from the Co-op, subject to receiving planning permission from Newcastle City Council.

The finance is in place to convert the Grade Two-listed building into a hotel, gym and restaurant with shops on the ground floor. It is understood a pre-let agreement has been signed with a hotel operator which wants to create a 230-bed business.


Read More - http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/commerci...1140-29039694/

I see the Planning Application is on the NCC site @ http://planningapplications.newcastl...=LP3I67BS05100

2011/1134/01/DET | Conversion of former co-operative department store (Class A1) and erection of a new purpose built 2 / 3 storey wing to the rear following demolition of existing offshoots down to first floor level to form a 231 bedroom hotel (Class C1). Works also include the following; repairs / alterations to elevations comprising installation of new shopfronts along Newgate Street and St Andrews Street to existing ground floor retail unit (Class A1), 5 additional units within use Classes A1/A3 and to the frontage to the hotel (Class C1), new glazing to upper hotel floors fronting St Andrews Street, change of use of part basement to use class D2 and part use as plant / storage area for hotel use, creation of access route to existing car park to rear via St Andrews Street and formation of bin storage, external plant, new substation and cycle parking within rear service yard | Former Co-operative (North Eastern) 117 Newgate Street And Part Public Highway To St Andrews Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 5RZ

Worthwhile opening its own thread NH?

[Steve Ellwood]

Originally Posted by growly grace

yeah but is the co-op supermarket going to remain on the ground floor?

Just been reading through the Heritage, Design and Access Statement that is with the Planning Application @ http://planningapplications.newcastl...=LP3I67BS05100

Retail. The Co-op intends to retain a presence on site in the form
of a Food Hall of approximately 10,000 square feet. Other retail
uses have been considered at ground floor, basement level
and first floor.
• Residential - apartments ‘for sale’.
• Student residential units.
• Offices.
• Leisure – gym, casino, restaurant and café uses.
• Hotels varying from 2 to 4 star quality.

[Steve Ellwood]

Originally Posted by kieron79

Be great to re-instate it if it doesn't

Oh dear, that's not very clever - this from the Heritage, Design and Access Statement @ http://planningapplications.newcastl...=LP3I67BS05100

Clock faces will be repaired with new lighting to replace original neon. Clocks will not be made operational.

Tell me, what is the point of having a clock if its doesn't work, or at least on more than twice per day

[Newcastle Historian]

Originally Posted by Steve Ellwood

I see the Planning Application is on the NCC site @ http://planningapplications.newcastl...=LP3I67BS05100

2011/1134/01/DET | Conversion of former co-operative department store (Class A1) and erection of a new purpose built 2 / 3 storey wing to the rear following demolition of existing offshoots down to first floor level to form a 231 bedroom hotel (Class C1). Works also include the following; repairs / alterations to elevations comprising installation of new shopfronts along Newgate Street and St Andrews Street to existing ground floor retail unit (Class A1), 5 additional units within use Classes A1/A3 and to the frontage to the hotel (Class C1), new glazing to upper hotel floors fronting St Andrews Street, change of use of part basement to use class D2 and part use as plant / storage area for hotel use, creation of access route to existing car park to rear via St Andrews Street and formation of bin storage, external plant, new substation and cycle parking within rear service yard | Former Co-operative (North Eastern) 117 Newgate Street And Part Public Highway To St Andrews Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 5RZ

Worthwhile opening its own thread NH?

Yes, good thinking, all of our other "Hotel Projects" have started off on this thread, and when they have reached this stage have got their own Project thread.

I'll set one up.

[Newcastle Historian]

Here is the new 'Project Thread'.

I have titled it . . .

Co-op Department Store HOTEL | Newcastle | 5fl | Proposed

. . . until such time as we find out what it will actually be called!

[Steve Ellwood]

I see that the Hotel is to be operated by Travelodge.

[paddytoonleics]

The main hotel?! Or the options for the lower levels?


Retail. The Co-op intends to retain a presence on site in the form
of a Food Hall of approximately 10,000 square feet. Other retail
uses have been considered at ground floor, basement level
and first floor.
• Residential - apartments ‘for sale’.
• Student residential units.
• Offices.
• Leisure – gym, casino, restaurant and café uses.
• Hotels varying from 2 to 4 star quality.

[kieron79]

Originally Posted by Steve Ellwood

I see that the Hotel is to be operated by Travelodge.

Oh dear! Could turn out to be a huge missed opportunity here!

[TownPlanningNE]

Originally Posted by Steve Ellwood

I see that the Hotel is to be operated by Travelodge.

Underwhelming to say the least, especially for such a brilliant building. But I suppose it's better than having it stood empty.

[geordiejon]

I thought it was gonna be 4star? Travelodge? Rather disappointed if that is true- then again it will be ideal for the stag and hens right next door to the gate- it will make a roaring trade

[Steve Ellwood]

Originally Posted by paddytoonleics

The main hotel?! Or the options for the lower levels?


Retail. The Co-op intends to retain a presence on site in the form
of a Food Hall of approximately 10,000 square feet. Other retail
uses have been considered at ground floor, basement level
and first floor.
• Residential - apartments ‘for sale’.
• Student residential units.
• Offices.
• Leisure – gym, casino, restaurant and café uses.
• Hotels varying from 2 to 4 star quality.

Originally Posted by geordiejon

I thought it was gonna be 4star? Travelodge? Rather disappointed if that is true- then again it will be ideal for the stag and hens right next door to the gate- it will make a roaring trade

Well the List Of Applicants on the PA are:

MD (Newcastle) Ltd
Co-operative Group Ltd
Travelodge Hotels Ltd

Heritage, Design and Access Statement says this about the ground floor:

Ground and basement level uses are more straightforward as follows:
• At ground floor unit A (the Co-op) – the existing retail use (A1) is
to be retained
• The remainder of the ground floor, excluding the hotel areas, will
be either retail (A1) retained use, or restaurant (A3)
• Basement will include leisure use - gym-(D2), as well as retail (A1)
or restaurant (A3).

[newcastlepubs]

Originally Posted by geordiejon

I thought it was gonna be 4star? Travelodge? Rather disappointed if that is true- then again it will be ideal for the stag and hens right next door to the gate- it will make a roaring trade

Yep. Spend too much of my life in hotels and at least IMHO where Premier Inn and Travelodge used to be on a par, travelodge has gone into freefall. Also Premier Inn do quiet well with conversions of interesting buildings; London's County hall is quite good.



You're right - likely to have hose clean walls and floors for the stag and hen trade. Lovely...

[AngerOfTheNorth]

I've stayed at the County Hall Premier Inn - really well done. To be honest as far as hotel chains go, Premier Inn are pretty good for the price you pay.

The only weird thing in County Hall is the feeling that the floor's moving when you're in the rooms. Not shaking as if there's an undergroung going past, but actually swaying slightly. I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if the floors are suspended on cables from above somehow, possibly due to listing restrictions on drilling into the walls to support new floors.

As for the Travelodge, it's a shame that they've got the Co-op, but as people have said it'll keep the Stag/Hen groups heading for The Gate in one nice neat area. Well, when I say nice and neat, you know what I mean...