BGC | Park West at Grand Hyatt [36F|res]

[makatiprime]

Originally Posted by 3cr

If Fort Bonifacio is Private Property, which it is, then technically pwede nila bakuran yung passageway (Jacinto road) to secure their property di ba though in this case it looks like they have opted to actually make use of Jacinto road as a passageway to Edsa/Rockwell according to Scamingue. This said connection of the existing public road and Fort Boni's private road will now allow for the people living in the area/neighborhood to have direct access to that part of Fort Boni including Park West Mall then if I understood it correctly. Tama nga ba?

ikukulong mo ang tao????? kahit private,public or military rule of law bawal yan, imposible walang right road of way o kahit 50 cm lang na daanan ng tao....marami ng nakulong,nagmulta sa pagbabakud o pagdedetain ng kabahayan pero ni isa wala pang nanalo sa illegal detention sa pagbabakod ng mga bahay

[miss the phils]

Originally Posted by makatiprime

yung likod ng mga bahay yun yung park west, yung mga bahay ay legal settlers at ayw ibenta ang lupa, ako man, ibibigay ko ang lupat bahay ko kung meron akong 5 br unit sa building na itatayo, excemption from assoc dues, and 5 million pa....

wala bang paraan na pilitin silang ibenta ang lupa....eminent domain for the greater good

[3cr]

Originally Posted by makatiprime

ikukulong mo ang tao????? kahit private,public or military rule of law bawal yan, imposible walang right road of way o kahit 50 cm lang na daanan ng tao....marami ng nakulong,nagmulta sa pagbabakud o pagdedetain ng kabahayan pero ni isa wala pang nanalo sa illegal detention sa pagbabakod ng mga bahay

Ang tanong ay as it is right now tuloy tuloy ba yang daan na yan into Fort Boni o hindi? Sigurado naman may labasan yan sa kabilang dulo kanya di sila makukulong. This is a sad reality in the Philippines today (actually for the longest time) where the "Have's" and "Not Have's" in our society may end up living just a "fence/bakod" apart. Now it's been alluded to that there is an existing public roadway in that neighborhood that may or may not lead into Fort Bonifacio. Just that even if there is a public road existing there right now on that neighborhood, it doesn't necessarily mean it goes into Fort Boni, it can be a dead end for all we know, because the other side (the Fort Boni side) is already part of the the original Fort Bonifacio camp and I would be surprised if the camp is not fortified (walang bakod for security) in the first place; thus separating the camp property from the said neighborhood already. Anyway I've not been into the said neighborhood nor even seen the North Boni side and unless someone can post some actual pictures, we'll not know for sure if this so-called public road does infact already connect to the Fort Boni private road named Jacinto street in the map.

Parts of the Fort Bonifacio camp slowly but surely became privatized as developers started buying land from the BCDA for development and as such they can do as they please to develop the area they bought as long as it meets approval of the BCDA/FBDC. Walang "say" ang mga kabilang bakod dahil di na nila ito pag-aari at kung gusto bakuran ng developer ang property nila and build whatever approved project on that site, ano naman kaya magagawa ng mga kabilang bakod. But this is not the issue here as it was already mentioned earlier the private road (named Jacinto Street in the map) will be connected daw to the existing public road for easier access towards Edsa/Rockwell. This is a two-edge sword because given that this will indeed be the case, this road connection on one hand will help improve traffic flow and access in and out of Fort Bonifacio but will also open up public access into that part of Fort Bonifacio that may not have been there before and as such automatically grants free and direct access for those living in those said neighborhoods into supposedly what is being "marketed" as a swanky and posh development. I'm just sharing an observation of what can happen based on what I've seen in MarketMarket and what I'm saying is huwag naman sana maging tambayan ng mga jologs yang Park West Mall gaya ng nangyari sa MarketMarket bacuse the said mall is part of the Park West residential structure and it could have an adverse effect on values of units that people buy there if not managed properly. It's different kasi when you have a mall below the residential tower which is why the developer needs to really be extra diligent to protect its buyers/investors foremost by choosing well their would be establishments in the said mall. That's why I am suggesting the same strategy that Ayala did for their Serendra project by putting high end restaurants, bars and shops in their commercial podium para maiwasan ito maging tambayan ng masa. Don't get me wrong MarketMarket is OK maging tambayan ng masa because the mall was built for the ABCD etc market in the first place and is separate from the Serendra project eh sa North Boni wala pang mall gaya ng MarketMarket which is why such an issue should not be taken for granted nor brushed under the rug so to speak just because some see it as being a "taboo" subject to raise. I don't mean anything bad, just pointing out some observations.

Originally Posted by scamingue

Eventually, mawawala din yon because it's BGC property and a new road will be open towards EDSA (This would be Jacinto St in the map)...

[3cr]

Thank You for the clarification scamingue!

Originally Posted by scamingue

My mistake. The better term is actually retail area. Their powerpoint presentations refer to the areas surrounding Park West and the block where Grand Hyatt and Park East will be located as retail areas. In a way, this area would be likened to a mall, but not like Market Market because Federal Land's plan here is to open high-end retail stores and restaurants. Here's a closer look of that 2nd floor of Park West

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...and that area between Park West and GH...

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....here's another perspective...



....and the bottom part of the scale model is the retail area of Grand Hyatt and the future Park East....

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...all three, Grand Hyatt (GH), Park West(PW) and Park East(PE), will occupy this area in the future (the previous map posted was not very clear)...

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[scamingue]

UPDATES:
*2br units from 7th to 33rd floor in Wing A, now SOLD out.

*Now opening four (4) units of bi-level Executive Villas @ Park West (located at the 5th and 6thlevels)
*Reservation Fee only Php 50,000 (for unit) and Php 10,000 (for parking slot)
*3% Promo Discount still applies to all payment terms and villas only (not on the parking slot) until August 31, on top of cash discounts.
*Payment Terms are the same as that of flat residential units in Park West
*Just PM for sample computations.

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[thomasian]

Originally Posted by scamingue

The gorgeous location
Your new home at Park West is at the center of it all with access to major highways such as 8th Avenue, Rizal Drive, 34th Street and Kalayaan Avenue.

That map is seriously wrong. Thanks to scamingue for posting a more accurate map afterwards but no thanks to scamingue for posting the original map here and creating confusion and debates among us. There's just so many wrong things in that map. And I don't get why that map should be made a basis for our discussion as it only makes things more confusing with its inherently wrong content.

1. Grand Hyatt should be exactly between 36th and 35th streets. On that map, Hyatt should've been placed to the left of 36th street and not to the right as that erroneous map shows.

2. Park West should be directly to the left of 36th Street. Not to the right, or even worse, one lot even further to the right as that map shows.

3. Jacinto Street is more completely named as General Emilio Jacinto Street. How did I know? It's not true that

Originally Posted by scamingue

a new road will be open towards EDSA (This would be Jacinto St in the map above)...

because it's not a new road but an existing one which doesn't open towards EDSA but rather to Kalayaan Avenue.

4. Jacinto Street doesn't end at a point in 6th Avenue between 36th Street and Kalayaan Avenue. When the existing General Emilio Jacinto is extended 60 meters east-southeast it will end where 34th Street meets Rizal Drive, so far from where the map depicts it.

5. MC Home Depot is located at the corner of 34th Street and 8th Avenue so the map should have placed it to the left of Lexus, right below where the map currently depicts it.

6. Exactly at the point where 7th Avenue curves to 8th Avenue should be where 38th Street is, extending up to 6th Avenue. It´s not on that map.

7. It's a marketing-centric map from the marketing team of Park West designed to twist reality to make the Park West project appear to be located in an irresistible location. I'm sorry but I am not for misrepresentation and the presentation of half-truths and half-lies and false promises just to sell condominiums. And if scamingue´s statements came from the marketing team of that condo, I´m not so sure anymore about its reliability as the previous statements have been either very questionable or is proven wrong.

P.S. How can Park West connect to Grand Hyatt when it is not located beside Grand Hyatt but rather beside Park East. When they say PW connects to Hyatt, it's appears to be simply a marketing statement. Yes, Park West may connect to Park East via a bridge but Park East is not Grand Hyatt. Park East may be adjacent to Grand Hyatt but that doesn't make it Grand Hyatt, right? So that brings to question the statement of Park West having a bridge connecting to Grand Hyatt. I believe its a sugar-coated way of stating "we have a bridge to another condominium which may be connected to Hyatt".

[scamingue]

Originally Posted by thomasian

That map is seriously wrong. Thanks to scamingue for posting a more accurate map afterwards but no thanks to scamingue for posting the original map here and creating confusion and debates among us. There's just so many wrong things in that map. And I don't get why that map should be made a basis for our discussion as it only makes things more confusing with its inherently wrong content.

1. Grand Hyatt should be exactly between 36th and 35th streets. On that map, Hyatt should've been placed to the left of 36th street and not to the right as that erroneous map shows.

2. Park West should be directly to the left of 36th Street. Not to the right, or even worse, one lot even further to the right as that map shows.

3. Jacinto Street is more completely named as General Emilio Jacinto Street. How did I know? It's not true that because it's not a new road but an existing one which doesn't open towards EDSA but rather to Kalayaan Avenue.

4. Jacinto Street doesn't end at a point in 6th Avenue between 36th Street and Kalayaan Avenue. When the existing General Emilio Jacinto is extended 60 meters east-southeast it will end where 34th Street meets Rizal Drive, so far from where the map depicts it.

5. MC Home Depot is located at the corner of 34th Street and 8th Avenue so the map should have placed it to the left of Lexus, right below where the map currently depicts it.

6. Exactly at the point where 7th Avenue curves to 8th Avenue should be where 38th Street is, extending up to 6th Avenue. It´s not on that map.

I won't argue against all these because it's true that the first representation map released was incorrect. So I posted another map to show the exact location of the project or what's "given" so buyers would know the status of the area right now. The "given" here is the Bubong ng Gudalaupe view, Kalayaan Ave, or Pasig River. All these are explained to potential buyers. I don't think the purpose of Federal Land is to mislead buyers if in their presentations they always show that trapezoidal map where the current houses are still erected. You have to realize that the project was only soft-launched at the beginning of this month, so they are yet to release better maps, better renderings, or even, an official website of the projects.

Originally Posted by thomasian

7. It's a marketing-centric map from the marketing team of Park West designed to twist reality to make the Park West project appear to be located in an irresistible location. I'm sorry but I am not for misrepresentation and the presentation of half-truths and half-lies and false promises just to sell condominiums. And if scamingue´s statements came from the marketing team of that condo, I´m not so sure anymore about its reliability as the previous statements have been either very questionable or is proven wrong.

As I said above, if their intent is to mislead buyers, why tell buyers that there are currently houses nearby that are yet to be cleared? or why issue a correct map in their presentations showing where exactly 6th, 7th, 36th or 8th avenue is? They are showing the pros and cons of the area, hence, negating your view that they only want to "make the Park West project appear to be located in an irresistible location." If you read the Grand Hyatt thread, or the other comments in this thread, some people do not find the location irresistible, but some see beyond the current eyesore. And with what you said about the company making "misrepresentation and the presentation of half-truths and half-lies and false promises just to sell condominiums," this is a very hasty generalization. One wrong map does not make a project a sham, when the company still have what, 4, years to go before this area here is fully developed. Tell that to other developers as well.

If you have a good eye for good investments, you'll see beyond what's currently there. And not judge a project by just one initial map. You should look at PW in terms of what the developer's overall plan in this area. Surely, there's LOTS you can do with Php 20B. Buyers do ask but agents do not sugarcoat like you imply.

Originally Posted by thomasian

P.S. How can Park West connect to Grand Hyatt when it is not located beside Grand Hyatt but rather beside Park East. When they say PW connects to Hyatt, it's appears to be simply a marketing statement. Yes, Park West may connect to Park East via a bridge but Park East is not Grand Hyatt. Park East may be adjacent to Grand Hyatt but that doesn't make it Grand Hyatt, right? So that brings to question the statement of Park West having a bridge connecting to Grand Hyatt. I believe its a sugar-coated way of stating "we have a bridge to another condominium which may be connected to Hyatt".

The long and short answer to this is "PW will be connected to GH via the retail areas". Whether the design will change, i.e., you will have to pass by PE first before reaching GH, PW is still connected to GH. PE will and GH will share the same ground floor as the scale model shows.

But I agree, that we should NOT make the old map the basis for our discussion.

[3cr]

Originally Posted by scamingue

...all three, Grand Hyatt (GH), Park West(PW) and Park East(PE), will occupy this area in the future (the previous map posted was not very clear)...

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Originally Posted by Aziza1121

I thought these homes on the left will eventually be gone in order to extend 6th and 7thAve.? Just that as of now this newer reference map still shows the said neighborhood as part of the landscape and I really want to know once and for all if that said neighborhood will indeed be gone or not. If it will be removed I hope newer maps will reflect it to avoid confusion. And if it will remain then all the more this info should indeed be disclosed in order to provide a better understanding of the area where these projects (The Grand Hyatt Hotel, Park West, and Park East) will rise. When you're talking about projects costing P100K/SQM, investors/buyers need to make informed decisions which is why pertinent info is very important. Just that it can definitely be an eye sore and an ambiance buster if that neighborhood remains there, not just for would be Grand Hyatt guests but also for those planning to purchase units at Park West / Park East. Disclosure will help prevent potential headaches later. Hopefully Scamingue (and/or someone in the know) can give us a definite answer so we can move on from this "neighborhood" topic.

[scamingue]

Originally Posted by 3cr

I thought these homes on the left will eventually be gone in order to extend 6th and 7thAve.? Just that as of now this newer reference map still shows the said neighborhood as part of the landscape and I really want to know once and for all if that said neighborhood will indeed be gone or not. If it will be removed I hope newer maps will reflect it to avoid confusion. And if it will remain then all the more this info should indeed be disclosed in order to provide a better understanding of the area where these projects (The Grand Hyatt Hotel, Park West, and Park East) will rise. When you're talking about projects costing P100/SQM, investors/buyers need to make informed decisions which is why pertinent info is very important. Just that it can definitely be an eye sore and an ambiance buster if that neighborhood remains there, not just for would be Grand Hyatt guests but also for those planning to purchase units at Park West / Park East. Disclosure will help prevent potential headaches later. Hopefully Scamingue (and/or someone in the know) can give us a definite answer so we can move on from this "neighborhood" topic.

Yes they will be gone, otherwise why would they include a future 6th or 7th sts in the map. currently the houses are occupying a portion of 7th and 6th. These can't be the view of a 6th star hotel if they stay there. These information just can't be provided now because they are not yet available and it's been only 29 days today since they started selling. I do hope that they will release some more details soon so we can post it here and we move on from, yes, the neighborhood topic. Nevertheless, even if the detailed plan are yet to be released, FLI sales are doing very good.

[Aziza1121]

Pls correct my labelling if erroneous. Thanks!

[scamingue]

Thanks Aziza! If you can further edit the picture by moving the ParkWest label to the houses (for now ganito sya) and ParkEast beside GH since they will be sharing the same block per 2nd map they issued, greatly appreciated. Magulo pa talaga now sana maliwanagan na nila soon. Thanks again.

[Aziza1121]

Will PM you the raw picture. You may edit it.

[nez]

and please label the streets, scamingue. tnx!

[willsan18]

@scamingue pls mail me the details
william.sanchez18@yahoo.com

[scamingue]

Originally Posted by nez

and please label the streets, scamingue. tnx!

Here it is! Thanks Aziza! According to my broker, the length of 6th st is still unclear at this time, hence, still a double-dash line in their map.

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[makatiprimer]

mali yan, yung 6th street ay napa curve mula 8th ave papuntang 8th street, yung future development mo ay yun ang park west, ang hyatt building ay isang block mismo

[3cr]

Originally Posted by Aziza1121

Pls correct my labelling if erroneous. Thanks!

Originally Posted by scamingue

Here it is! Thanks Aziza! According to my broker, the length of 6th st is still unclear at this time, hence, still a double-dash line in their map.

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Originally Posted by scamingue

Yes they will be gone, otherwise why would they include a future 6th or 7th sts in the map. currently the houses are occupying a portion of 7th and 6th. These can't be the view of a 6th star hotel if they stay there. These information just can't be provided now because they are not yet available and it's been only 29 days today since they started selling. I do hope that they will release some more details soon so we can post it here and we move on from, yes, the neighborhood topic. Nevertheless, even if the detailed plan are yet to be released, FLI sales are doing very good.

Thanks for the info Scamingue. Good to know that the said neighborhood is indeed going away though however I'm just wondering are you sure about the labelled locations for Grand Hyatt, Park East, and Park West? Just that from the info I gathered, I think Aziza's original labels of where Grand Hyatt, Park East and Park West will rise are actually correct. Kasi parang sobrang liit naman yata ng lot area where these said projects will rise based on where you placed your labels. Parang sobrang sikip baga. Paki verify naman please. Thanks again for your help!

[nez]

The pic of the scale model above with Pnoy and George Ty shows that Hyatt and Park East share a podium in "one" block. Based on this scale model, Scamingue's label is correct. What I don't understand (assuming Scamingue's label is correct) is why they are selling Park West already when the lot is not yet cleared of houses. Is this allowed by our laws?

[San-Mat]

Originally Posted by makatiprimer

mali yan, yung 6th street ay napa curve mula 8th ave papuntang 8th street, yung future development mo ay yun ang park west, ang hyatt building ay isang block mismo

Originally Posted by nez

The pic of the scale model above with Pnoy and George Ty shows that Hyatt and Park East share a podium in "one" block. Based on this scale model, Scamingue's label is correct. What I don't understand (assuming Scamingue's label is correct) is why they are selling Park West already when the lot is not yet cleared of houses. Is this allowed by our laws?

If the map is correct. Then Park East and Hyatt share the same block.

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[thomasian]

Originally Posted by scamingue

Thanks Aziza! If you can further edit the picture by moving the ParkWest label to the houses (for now ganito sya) and ParkEast beside GH since they will be sharing the same block per 2nd map they issued, greatly appreciated. Magulo pa talaga now sana maliwanagan na nila soon. Thanks again.

What houses? Look at the map I did, no houses will be demolished for Park West. It's all BGC (Taguig) property for Park West, no houses on the Makati side will have to be demolished.

Let me explain how there's apparently a big vacant lot there which is not visible in Aziza's picture. The houses are standing on an elevated area (part of Makati already) which makes them block the view of the (Taguig) site for Park West from where Aziza took the picture.



Stop relying on the marketing team and do your own research about the area. Or if you do want to take their statements, which is a logical thing to do for a seller, please have them verified first, for your own good.

I'm not the enemy here, I am trying to help you be more credible but if you keep on releasing unfounded statements from the marketing team, you'll slowly lose your credibility, notice how 3cr is asking you if you are sure about your labelling?

To show in good faith that I really am willing to help you and not discredit you, I can bike early morning to North Bonifacio from Sta. Mesa if you want to meet-up with me on the area so I can orient you about the place better, point out the original boundaries of BGC and where it actually meets Makati, show you where roads will be laid out, it's not much of a favor since I regularly do biking on that area anyway.