Post some T.O. pictures

[isaidso]

No correlation doesn't mean that the facade cladding is safe though. They signed off on balcony panels that shatters. They could just as easily have signed off on facade cladding that shatters.

[Taller, Better]

Originally Posted by isaidso

They could just as easily have signed off on facade cladding that shatters.

Well, I could have been run over by a phalanx of crazed naked bike riders on my way home tonight but luckily on both fronts it seems not to have happened!

[isaidso]

I tend to lose trust in a company's competence in all areas when they mess up in one. When quality control is compromised, there's a good chance it happened in more than one area.

[christos-greece]

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Simulated 3D cityscape of Toronto by ToMuHu.com / Alphafish, on Flickr

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Old City Hall, Toronto by j-riviere, on Flickr

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Toronto skyline on Front Street, looking west by mkcb, on Flickr

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Beautiful Toronto by kimberlyjy, on Flickr

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Skyline by wildbluetoo, on Flickr

[neltron3030]

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Skywalking by Neil Ta | I am Bidong, on Flickr

[christos-greece]

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mn - 7 by Subjective Art, on Flickr

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toronto-skyline by annemarie-parsons, on Flickr

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Bay Canyon by Seekdes (Mike in TO), on Flickr

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White Blue Green Red by Seekdes (Mike in TO), on Flickr

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King West by Seekdes (Mike in TO), on Flickr

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King West by Seekdes (Mike in TO), on Flickr

[neltron3030]

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Closing Up Shop by Neil Ta | I am Bidong, on Flickr

[Taller, Better]

Originally Posted by isaidso

I tend to lose trust in a company's competence in all areas when they mess up in one. When quality control is compromised, there's a good chance it happened in more than one area.

As a builder, you rely on your suppliers to provide you quality goods that meet all standards; there is no option for buying slightly dodgy glass at a reduced price. There was a defect in the product which lead to the glass breaking. I don't really see how the builder can be blamed for what is clearly a supplier deficiency.

[lucci]

Originally Posted by Taller, Better

As a builder, you rely on your suppliers to provide you quality goods that meet all standards; there is no option for buying slightly dodgy glass at a reduced price. There was a defect in the product which lead to the glass breaking. I don't really see how the builder can be blamed for what is clearly a supplier deficiency.

This is the current state of the balconies at Murano.

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glassless balconies by ronnie.yip, on Flickr

[KrispyInToronto]

today by me

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Taller, Better

I don't really see how the builder can be blamed for what is clearly a supplier deficiency.

Most of a car is produced off site at auto parts companies then the final product is assembled at the car plant. Auto companies put their brand name on the hood and its auto companies that bare the responsibility for making sure all the components meet certain standards. Same thing applies here. This developer put their name on the front of this building, but they didn't do their due diligence properly.

[InTheBeach]

Originally Posted by Taller, Better

As a builder, you rely on your suppliers to provide you quality goods that meet all standards; there is no option for buying slightly dodgy glass at a reduced price. There was a defect in the product which lead to the glass breaking. I don't really see how the builder can be blamed for what is clearly a supplier deficiency.

Any company providing a product should be accountable for what they are delivering to their customer.

As a customer, I have no contract with a supplier.

And a well run company does not leave these things to chance.

[Taller, Better]

on second thought, it is pointless trying to second guess what happened when we really have no idea.

[koolio]

In business, hoping and praying that a company to whom you have out-sourced something does not screw up is entirely unacceptable. Everyone needs to be wholly responsible for the product that they move up the chain ... especially if we are talking about a business that has the job of handing it over to the final consumer. If a company does not put much emphasis on quality control, they are destined to fail. And quite deservedly so too.

[Taller, Better]

Well, I imagine the whole case is under legal scrutiny at the moment, so we'll just have to wait and find out when the balcony glass does go up and also
we can get back to posting photos.

[christos-greece]

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Untitled by mpmark, on Flickr

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DSC_201214107 by drum118, on Flickr

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DSC_201214114 by drum118, on Flickr

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May Toronto Skyline at Night by Catoctin, on Flickr

[Taller, Better]

Particularly great shot of the ROM!

[MissyC]

Oh wow ...that last picture is divine...

Can it be taken once more but with better quality?

[Kappa21]

what side is the ROM from?
I never saw it in that particular angle

[icemachine]

Originally Posted by koolio

In business, hoping and praying that a company to whom you have out-sourced something does not screw up is entirely unacceptable. Everyone needs to be wholly responsible for the product that they move up the chain ... especially if we are talking about a business that has the job of handing it over to the final consumer. If a company does not put much emphasis on quality control, they are destined to fail. And quite deservedly so too.

From what I've read they did static loading on this balcony glass but not dynamic. As an automotive test engineer I can tell you dynamic testing is far more difficult to quantify the results for parts unless you have empiric results to rely on and a robust test methodology that has been validated.