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Old December 29th, 2011, 01:54 AM   #261
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When reading peoples accounts like this (and there are many on this thread) I do get the feeling that many people have not driven much in the UK outside of South East England (where the road network is largely incomplete). Across the country, there are no major problems with connectivity either linking urban centres or driving cross country. Certainly, there are motorways which have not been built to full plan, but not in a way that makes a journey effectively impossible or much more difficult. I cannot think of anywhere in the UK where a motorway is desperately needed (one exception being the Scotland link north of Newcastle). In these supposed gaps, dual-carriageway A-roads do the job just as well with motorway speeds and regulations, especially in Wales, Northern Scotland, and the English Midlands.
Even in the South East, I don't think that additional roads would solve many problems compared to the heavy investments currently being made in public transport.
That's the spirit.
I guess attitudes like this among the politicians and planners are responsible for Britain having inadequate road network (not just motorways) in the first place. The cliche'sque "if you build more roads, they'll fill up" argument is at the top of it all. Oh well...
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Old December 30th, 2011, 02:01 PM   #262
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May i suggest some improvements Accura4Matalan ?

For example :

1) M27 all the way from Portsmouth to Brighton or Dover. Have you ever tried going from Portsmouth to Brighton ? its absolutely hell with all these roundabouts at Chichester, going through the center of Worthing and if you want to go to Dover the road turns to be to a low quality Single carriegeway.

2) A303 improvement to full standard Motorway. Its badly congested during summer time where everyone goes to Devon and Cornwall for vacation...

3) M27 extension to Exeter ? it would be a nice alternative from A303.

4) A1(M) all the way to Edinburgh, as far as i remember there are some roundabouts near London.

5) Birmingham west Ring road, something like M6T

6) North and south circular road, should be Full standard 3 or 4 lane Motorway, something like Paris ringroads

7) M67 to sheffield

8) A motorway should be be built to Norwich and Ipswich, i think its A11 and A12

9) Upgrade A14 to full motorway, as far as i know theres is high HGV traffic better lowesoft and midlands.

10) And last upgrade A21 to dual carriageway all the way to hastings with grade seperated junctions. Imo it would improve tourism in the south east

I wont mention A3M since most of its length is motorway standard.

I forgot to mention many Motorway junctions which are connected with roundabout such as M60/M66 , A1M/M25 , M32/M4 and many more junctions that are not coming to my mind right now...

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Old December 30th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #263
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I do not belive that there is any will in Britain to invest on new massive road schemes. Some of your (useful) proposals were previously proposed but have fallen into a lot of political, financial and environmental troubles. For example the A11 and A12 roads to East Anglia or the London Circular Roads (part of the proposed Ringways). I quite understand the difficulty of upgrading the A205 (South Circular) from a series of borough high streets to a 6-lane expressway/motorway. They should have demolished quite a lot of South London.

In Birmingham, the M6Toll is running well under capacity as people still prefer to get through the congested old M6; almost always clogged between Junctions 4 & 10, but still taking most of through traffic along the local one. So a M5Toll would face the same failure, unless they did it free of charge, but I doubt it.

Finally the M27 east of Hampshire would have to pass through some sensitive environmental areas (South Downs).

But mostly, it is the lack of will.
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Old December 31st, 2011, 12:19 AM   #264
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In Birmingham, the M6Toll is running well under capacity as people still prefer to get through the congested old M6; almost always clogged between Junctions 4 & 10, but still taking most of through traffic along the local one. So a M5Toll would face the same failure, unless they did it free of charge, but I doubt it.
I think they tolled the wrong routes. They should complete the ring around Birmingham, and have them as free routes and toll the motorways that run through the middle...
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Old December 31st, 2011, 12:34 AM   #265
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I know very well that Nimbyism is very strong in the UK and for me their motorway network has been over capacity especially in the South East and soon or later with their current population growth their motorway network will come to a standstill.

I don't understand why M6Toll was seen negatively, when it opened in 2003 the toll was only 2 quid which is fairly cheap, still they prefered the congested M6...

I know very well how strong influence Nimbys have in Britain but i hope somehow in the future that we will see some large scale road upgrades like we see today in the Netherlands. Dont forget that the Netherlands a few years ago was in the same situation with Britain.
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Old December 31st, 2011, 02:26 AM   #266
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Not before the Libdems come to power...
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Old December 31st, 2011, 10:33 AM   #267
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Still i hope there is a small voice inside them which will say after few years " wtf were we doing all these years?? we must built new roads! " you know its that small common sense voice ...
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Old December 31st, 2011, 11:47 AM   #268
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This summer I drove through a lot of European countries in a low suspension sports car, so I could really feel which roads were good or bad.
The best roads in European according to me was Hungary, followed closely by Austria. That's probably because they seemed quite newly built.

I was very disappointed in German roads, even with the Autobahn speed limits I couldn't go too fast because the roads made the car like a rollercoster..
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Old December 31st, 2011, 01:55 PM   #269
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However, German autobahnen have best shaped curves of all European motorways allowing you to really fast driving.
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Old December 31st, 2011, 01:55 PM   #270
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When i was in Germany speeds over 160 km/h were very common O_O. Sometimes some audis and bmws tried to race me i had soooo much fun !
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The whole motorway racing this is silly. I say that as I know someone who was killed in one. 127Mph on the M1 at night, it was empty before anyone says but still don't do it! Leave your egos at home.
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Old December 31st, 2011, 03:38 PM   #272
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When i was in Germany speeds over 160 km/h were very common O_O. Sometimes some audis and bmws tried to race me i had soooo much fun !
On A95 toward Garmisch once I did 165 while overtaking, and still had a queue of BMWs and Audis behind me
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Old December 31st, 2011, 03:44 PM   #273
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when driving in Germany you see why German cars need so much horse power.
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Old December 31st, 2011, 04:00 PM   #274
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when driving in Germany you see why German cars need so much horse power.
If you search YouTube you'll find some Japanese videos with Japanese bringing their cars (like Nissan GTR) all the way from Japan to test them or just have some fun on German autobahns. That says enough.
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Old December 31st, 2011, 04:12 PM   #275
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On A95 toward Garmisch once I did 165 while overtaking, and still had a queue of BMWs and Audis behind me
On the A5 near the Frankfurt Airport is easy to see people driving 250 km/h+...my car doesn't go faster than 210 Km/h in that part and I see people overtaking me at higher speed
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Old December 31st, 2011, 05:21 PM   #276
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Are you sure that such sitiuations exist only in Germany (if we're taking into account only "old EU")?
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definitely not but what makes germany unique is that all these stuff are legal. You can see the same stuff in in Italy or Greece or any EU country

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Old December 31st, 2011, 06:47 PM   #278
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Not before the Libdems come to power...
Are they particularly pro-road (or do they have a snowball's chance in hell of beating both the Tories and Labour in the same election at any time in the foreseeable future)? Or am I not understanding you?

Not that I mean to get into another country's politics; I just got the impression they were chronically a third party, and would have guessed they were a bit green.
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Old December 31st, 2011, 07:01 PM   #279
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The whole motorway racing this is silly. I say that as I know someone who was killed in one. 127Mph on the M1 at night, it was empty before anyone says but still don't do it! Leave your egos at home.
I dont find it dangerous at all especially if you have a very good car and the road is in good condition ( dry, good pavement , no traffic )
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Old December 31st, 2011, 07:21 PM   #280
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definitely not but what makes germany unique is that all these stuff are legal. You can see the same stuff in in Italy or Greece or any EU country
It's just that in Germany they're a lot more frequent. In Italy people doing 200+ exist, but they're not so frequent as the cliché suggests. I'm not particularly kind to my fellow Italians, other clichés are real, for instance no one (and I mean it) uses blinkers.

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