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Old August 28th, 2011, 05:15 PM   #81
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i haven't much experience in driving in Germany, but that is my general impression. on the other hand i have driven much around Italy. i actually don't pay too much attention on speed limits there (except general)
I have quite an experience in both countries
I think that speed limits must not be taken too much to the letter. If you come from 130 km/h and you spot a 80 km/h sign, that does not mean you have to brake like madman, as I saw in Austria and occasionally in Germany. It means just "hey, you cannot afford going full speed now, slow down".

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Old August 28th, 2011, 07:44 PM   #82
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The Dutch have the best pavements and signage BUT congestion is a major issues and there are too damn many exits and entrances. Every shitty little town has to have its own ramps. Every godawful 2 kilometers there's new cars coming onto the motorway. It's annoying.

The French have excellent roads with the right number of exits that stretch for miles and miles through a beautiful country. Downsides: Paris and tolls.

All things considered, I'm going with France.
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Old August 28th, 2011, 11:27 PM   #83
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I have only driven in Spain, Greece and Bulgaria and rode a bus in Italy, Slovenia, Croatia and Serbia. Spain is the best but Italy was great too. Slovenia and Croatia have nice freeways. Serbia is the WORST. There were potholes on the freeway where you are supposed to do 130 km/h. Ridiculous.
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Old August 29th, 2011, 02:39 PM   #84
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I would have put the UK up there in terms of build quality and standards. But they are just far too busy!

M6 through Birmingham, M62 between Manchester and Leeds or M25 at Heathrow is enough to put anyone off driving for life lol

I've been pretty impressed with Spanish motorways though...
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Old August 29th, 2011, 04:26 PM   #85
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I would have put the UK up there in terms of build quality and standards. But they are just far too busy!
The Netherlands certainly exceed UK in the measures you mentioned.
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Old August 29th, 2011, 06:08 PM   #86
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The Netherlands certainly exceed UK in the measures you mentioned.
Not always. There is a difference between 3 congested lanes in the UK to 2 lanes in Holland.
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Old August 29th, 2011, 06:17 PM   #87
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Not always. There is a difference between 3 congested lanes in the UK to 2 lanes in Holland.
I was referring to build quality and standards which are certainly better in NL. Congestion and lack of capacity seems to be a problem in both.

Talking of "good" standards of UK motorways you don't get "motorway junctions" like this or "motorways" like this in The Netherlands do you?

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Old August 29th, 2011, 09:51 PM   #88
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Based on asphalt-quality: Netherlands
Based on decent drivers: Germany
Based on polite drivers: UK
Based on design standards: Netherlands
Based on decent signage: Germany
Based on excitement: Italy
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Old August 29th, 2011, 10:01 PM   #89
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Talking of "good" standards of UK motorways you don't get "motorway junctions" like this or "motorways" like this in The Netherlands do you?
In fact, we've even got worse... (this is just quite an exception, though)
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Old August 29th, 2011, 10:06 PM   #90
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Who has got the best maintained motorways guys? The worst maintained network I have ever seen is British.
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I was referring to build quality and standards which are certainly better in NL. Congestion and lack of capacity seems to be a problem in both.

Talking of "good" standards of UK motorways you don't get "motorway junctions" like this or "motorways" like this in The Netherlands do you?
The latter is hardly standard, although the A275(M) or something like that in Southampton does come to mind
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Old August 29th, 2011, 10:11 PM   #92
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Who has got the best maintained motorways guys? The worst maintained network I have ever seen is British.
My impression of the UK was that at least the asphalt was generally about everywhere in good conditions. When it comes to bad maintenance, Belgium or Italy comes much more to my mind...
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You can't seriously say that Italian autostrade are badly mantained. There are some bad stretches, expecially in the South, but overall I think they are very well mantained.
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My impression of the UK was that at least the asphalt was generally about everywhere in good conditions. When it comes to bad maintenance, Belgium or Italy comes much more to my mind...
Italy has good road maintenance.
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You can't seriously say that Italian autostrade are badly mantained. There are some bad stretches, expecially in the South, but overall I think they are very well mantained.
You've beaten me to it. I didn't think you were there, so I defended your country.
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Old August 29th, 2011, 10:39 PM   #96
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Italy has maybe even the best overall quality of asphalt. i really don't remember where i have seen in Italy some any damages of asphalt on motorways (not expressways but motorways). maybe Switzerland or the Netherlands is better.
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Switzerland is somewhat overrated. There are quite a few sections with mediocre, or even deteriorated pavement.
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Switzerland is somewhat overrated. There are quite a few sections with mediocre, or even deteriorated pavement.
You've beaten me to that as well.
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Old August 29th, 2011, 10:52 PM   #99
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Italy has maybe even the best overall quality of asphalt. i really don't remember where i have seen in Italy some any damages of asphalt on motorways (not expressways but motorways). maybe Switzerland or the Netherlands is better.

Ehe thanks. I'm not the type of guy who defends his own country no matter what, in Italy there are many more things that do not work than things that work. For instance, having driven the really wonderful Bundesstraßen here in Germany, I can say that the Italian equivalents (Strade Statali) are really no match: old, narrow, patchy.
But motorways in Italy are superior to those in Germany, they can have defects but maintenance is not one of them.
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My impression of the UK was that at least the asphalt was generally about everywhere in good conditions.
Typically it looks good and feels ok-ish but for some reason it never comes to "perfect" what you typically feel on most motorways in NL, newer Autobahn stretches in Germany or even such new motorway stretches as M6 toll in UK itself. It's always making some tyre noise (especially in a lower class car) and the surface is somewhat uneven. It's not a big deal and hardly affects the overall ride quality but is just a bit annoying.
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