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Old August 29th, 2011, 10:58 PM   #101
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Ehe thanks. I'm not the type of guy who defends his own country no matter what, in Italy there are many more things that do not work than things that work. For instance, having driven the really wonderful Bundesstraßen here in Germany, I can say that the Italian equivalents (Strade Statali) are really no match: old, narrow, patchy.
But motorways in Italy are superior to those in Germany, they can have defects but maintenance is not one of them.
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Old August 29th, 2011, 11:04 PM   #102
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You're right, I was too much thinking of Italy in general instead of the (tolled) motorways.
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Old August 29th, 2011, 11:05 PM   #103
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I agree aswell!
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Old August 29th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #104
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You're right, I was too much thinking of Italy in general instead of the (tolled) motorways.
I don't think the secondary roads are all that bad. Especially if you compare them with Belgium.
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Old August 29th, 2011, 11:25 PM   #105
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Who has got the best maintained motorways guys? The worst maintained network I have ever seen is British.
Erm, I have to disagree.
The motorway surface is always in good condition. Lighting is urban areas is of good quality...
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Old August 29th, 2011, 11:33 PM   #106
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No it's not always in good condition. You've obviously never driven on the M11, M20, M5, M42...
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Old August 29th, 2011, 11:39 PM   #107
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I don't think the secondary roads are all that bad. Especially if you compare them with Belgium.
well they are not that bad. but you can find potholes sometimes. actually, the worst Italian road i ahve driven was an expressway E45 (does that road have some other number except E?) between Perugia and Orte.
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Ehe thanks. I'm not the type of guy who defends his own country no matter what, in Italy there are many more things that do not work than things that work. For instance, having driven the really wonderful Bundesstraßen here in Germany, I can say that the Italian equivalents (Strade Statali) are really no match: old, narrow, patchy.
But motorways in Italy are superior to those in Germany, they can have defects but maintenance is not one of them.
Here's a joke from a Top Gear rerun I was watching yesterday (one of the hosts was driving from Portofino to Saint-Tropez, the other going by speedboat). The guy on the boat asks his co-pilot, "how do we know when we're in France - the seas get rougher, like the roads?"
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I don't think the secondary roads are all that bad. Especially if you compare them with Belgium.
You're not a fan of Belgium, are you?

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Switzerland is somewhat overrated. There are quite a few sections with mediocre, or even deteriorated pavement.
A question I've been meaning to ask: any guess as to why Jeremy Clarkson (yes, I watch too many Top Gear reruns - it's as close to driving in Europe as I'm going to get in the near future) keeps referring to "car-hating Switzerland"?
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Switzerland is really a country with two sides. On one hand they want to restrict traffic as much as possible (see Gotthard Tunnel issues), there are whole villages inaccessible by car and speed limits are rather low. On the other hand, parking fees are not really that high except for a few cities and fuel is cheap(er) too. Don't know about the car taxes, that could vary by canton (state).
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I don't mind Belgium as a country, and the people are friendly enough, and the food is great, but when it comes to driving, they are really lacking behind in many ways. Even a lot of countries in Eastern Europe are now starting to overtake Belgium when it comes to quality of roads. Yet, Belgium has good lane discipline. Double standards if you ask me...
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The drive from St Moritz,down to Italy,can be dangerous and i cant imagine attempting it in winter,but the scenary is superb.
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well they are not that bad. but you can find potholes sometimes. actually, the worst Italian road i ahve driven was an expressway E45 (does that road have some other number except E?) between Perugia and Orte.
Yes, it's SS3bis.
Italy seriously need SS renumbering.
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More than 100 posts and no-one referred to the so-called "Strumatic Experience"

Anyway, I prefer France and Switzerland as far as regarding the places I have any experience and from the pictures I have seen here, it seems that Hungary is on the right direction.
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Old August 30th, 2011, 12:23 AM   #116
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No it's not always in good condition. You've obviously never driven on the M11, M20, M5, M42...
Having just driven from London to Reims I must say it's hard to find more annoying motorway than M20. Pavement is such a horrible noisy concrete. Generally British surface is more noisy than European (wet weather being the main reason I presume) but this one was a real shocker.

Edit: Actually, "real shocker" might be too strong an expression for M20. A real shocker (in terms of surface) was what I experienced on motorway in Los Angeles.

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Old August 30th, 2011, 12:33 AM   #117
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it seems that Hungary is on the right direction.
I like their motorway but I really hate their signage, I hope it will get better, it is just so confusing and complitated.
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Old August 30th, 2011, 01:07 AM   #118
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I don't mind Belgium as a country, and the people are friendly enough, and the food is great, but when it comes to driving, they are really lacking behind in many ways. Even a lot of countries in Eastern Europe are now starting to overtake Belgium when it comes to quality of roads. Yet, Belgium has good lane discipline. Double standards if you ask me...
But you're always ignoring we're working hard to catch up... The budget for road maintenance/renovation has more than tripled in the last year (and will stay at the same level in the coming years), both in Flanders and Wallonia.

This summer, practically everywhere they were working on the roads...






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Old August 30th, 2011, 01:16 AM   #119
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I remember when driving via E17 and/or E37 in Belgium (can't remember exactly now which part it was) in 2010 I was rather shocked by the apalling quality of the pavement. Such a massive contrast before entering NL. Are roads really all that bad in Belgium or is it just some stretches?
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I remember when driving via E17 and/or E37 in Belgium (can't remember exactly now which part it was) in 2010 I was rather shocked by the apalling quality of the pavement. Such a massive contrast before entering NL. Are roads really all that bad in Belgium or is it just some stretches?
No, they're not all that bad.

Large parts of the E17 are being renovated this summer.
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