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Old August 30th, 2011, 11:21 AM   #121
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Italy has good road maintenance.
But when you drive from Switzerland through Lake Como to the Italian side the motorway isn't as well maintained as the Swiss side, it was the first thing I noiticed in Italy.
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Old August 30th, 2011, 11:23 AM   #122
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I don't think the secondary roads are all that bad. Especially if you compare them with Belgium.
If you think the roads in Belgium are bad you need to drive in Norway.
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Old August 30th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #123
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I remember when driving via E17 and/or E37 in Belgium (can't remember exactly now which part it was) in 2010 I was rather shocked by the apalling quality of the pavement. Such a massive contrast before entering NL. Are roads really all that bad in Belgium or is it just some stretches?
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1. E34 Highway Ranst (Interchange E34xE313 nearby Antwerp) - Border crossing B-NL at Postel. A very "old-fashioned" road...
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Old August 30th, 2011, 01:01 PM   #124
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But when you drive from Switzerland through Lake Como to the Italian side the motorway isn't as well maintained as the Swiss side, it was the first thing I noiticed in Italy.
If you mean Swiss A2 - Italian A9, the latter is going through a large program of renovation in these years.
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Old August 30th, 2011, 02:43 PM   #125
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btw since we're doing the best and the worst... These are the motorways I have driven on:

Best: UK / Hungarian
Worst: Serbian


Which ironic considering they are neighbours.
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Old August 30th, 2011, 03:18 PM   #126
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Funny that, but I've never heard anyone from Kosova say anythihng nice about Serbia at all. I didn't realise the UK was a Balkan state either? They say you learn something new everyday.
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Old August 30th, 2011, 04:20 PM   #127
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No, they're not all that bad.

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Particularly the E37. ;-)
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Old August 31st, 2011, 01:20 AM   #128
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Germans have no idea about how to drive correctly. When they run 200+ they always brake at the last moment, and they don't know how to behave at zipper merging (always merging at the last moment, instead of at the first possibility)
This is exactly how it is meant to be.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 08:51 AM   #129
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This is exactly how it is meant to be.
No, it is not.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 09:18 AM   #130
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This is exactly how it is meant to be.
When queueing then yes, use both lanes and merge in turn at the end. What Germans do, is race in full speed to the end in order to be ahead of a few cars, and then aggresiveley merge. That's not how it is meant to be.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 02:05 PM   #131
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My vote for Germany.

Extensive network, good overall road quality, excellent signage, well-educated and (in their majority) disciplined drivers, including those of the many powerful vehicles.
No tolls for passenger cars, no general speed limit.
Hamburg-Berlin = half the time sitting in a congested roadwork area ... hell ... the entire autobahn was under repairs.

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No, it is not.
That tells me how little you know how a zip and zip merging works.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 03:27 PM   #133
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Hamburg-Berlin = half the time sitting in a congested roadwork area ... hell ... the entire autobahn was under repairs.
So true, I had the same experience on German Autobahns.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 03:41 PM   #134
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That tells me how little you know how a zip and zip merging works.
Road_UK has already explained how a zipper merging works, and I'm not going to repeat that. Maybe you should read his post and just learn.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 08:17 PM   #135
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Funny that, but I've never heard anyone from Kosova say anythihng nice about Serbia at all. I didn't realise the UK was a Balkan state either? They say you learn something new everyday.
By saying "they are neighbours", he most certainly meant Hungary and Serbia so no need for the UK to be a Balkan state.

What I like on Hungarian M1 (Austrian border <-> Budapest) is that there are relatively few extra speed limits (besides the 130km/h general limit). Also, it is nice to announce the speed cameras 500 meters ahead
Altogether, the many new and refurbished motorways offer a nice smooth driving experience these days. Im am curious, however, if the upkeep and maintenance will work adequately in the coming decades ...
Today's network would IMO allow a 150-160km/h general limit. The Poles already sent the right signal by raising theirs to 140km/h. An instant removal of general limit would not work with Hungarian and thru-traffic gastarbeiter mentality.

Biggest drawback in Hungary is IMO the pricing: roughly double of the Austrian price for roughly half of their network length. This is a heritage of the Socialist era economy's "performance" - and also over-expensive construction works for the profits of the 2002-2010 ex-Commie mafia-type government.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 09:02 PM   #136
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I don't understand where this myth is coming from that Germans are disclipined drivers. They're not. At least someone on this thread tried to contradict me by stating that he/she watched plenty of youtube video's of German autobahns.
I'm delighted to find that many share my opinion that France is -in fact- the best country to drive in. I even think it comes out as the winner...
If you want to see poorly disciplined drivers, try driving in the US.
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Old September 1st, 2011, 06:10 AM   #137
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If you want to see poorly disciplined drivers, try driving in the US.
I would say U.S. drivers are very disciplined (by that I mean they usually don't break the laws), but they are pretty relaxed in their driving. Highway patrol and police in general are not very strict and many people often do stupid things due to lack of attention and concentration (cell phone in one hand, soda in the other).

Overall though most drivers are respectful and will give you way when you need it.
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Old September 1st, 2011, 08:16 AM   #138
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best: France, Spain and Hungary (it has the best signage in Europe )

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So true, I had the same experience on German Autobahns.
Last month I drove from Dresden to Hamburg and it was awful - there are many speed restrictions some as low as 90 km/h, the road was under repairs, bad drivers, bad signage (I missed some exits because of that). So the German Autobahns are far from being the best in Europe.
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Old September 1st, 2011, 08:17 PM   #139
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I would say U.S. drivers are very disciplined (by that I mean they usually don't break the laws), but they are pretty relaxed in their driving. Highway patrol and police in general are not very strict and many people often do stupid things due to lack of attention and concentration (cell phone in one hand, soda in the other).

Overall though most drivers are respectful and will give you way when you need it.
I don't know. There was an awful lot of left-lane hogging when I was in Cincinnati a month or so ago. I know it's risky to generalize from one visit but it was really striking. I'm thinking in particular of the east side of 275.

Also, it should be noted that using a cell phone while driving is being made illegal in more and more places.
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Road_UK has already explained how a zipper merging works, and I'm not going to repeat that. Maybe you should read his post and just learn.
What Road_UK wrote is pretty much the opposite of what you claim. You better read this post carefully and learn from it yourself, bigmouth.
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