Abidjan Disussion Thread - Cote D'Ivoire

[Matthias Offodile]

Alloukou, lèche mon c.u.l!!!! C´est à cause des gens comme toi que le pays va aux enfers mais continue de lécher le cul sale de n chérie, Mr. Gbagbo! Moi, je le deteste si cela te plaît ou pas, cela m´est égal!

Alors, je prend mes distances vis-à-vis de ce que tu nous montres ici parce que cela ne correpond pas à la réalité.

Bonne chance

Continuez de montrer des belles photos, Mr le Président!!!!

[Matthias Offodile]

Sorry bro, but this Crocodile ofodile guy gets on my nerve. Everytime we have an Ivory Coat photo gallery, he comes in to denigrate the country.
He created the first Ivory pix thread but it was to put the country down with his negative comment on almost every picture... I got the Site Admin to close that thread.

When I created a new Ivory Coast Gallery, he came back in to spew his hatred again. We had to close it and re-start. The Site Admin told him to stay out of the Ivory Coast photo Gallery with his politics... But he couldn't help it. He is back. He's starting his political rant here again.

Toute mes excuses a toi si je t'ai offense.
Merci.

Don´t make a fuss out of nothing.

Well, I didn´t denigrate anything ( but your comments just worked up on me again) I just said that I don´t like Gbagbo but I said that I like the Ivory Coast and its people. The same is with countries like France, I don´t like Sarkozy but I like France as a country. I don´t like Bush but I like many things that are American or that is associated with the American way of life. Do you get what I am driving at?

I think that your beautiful country to which I still feel drawn to desserves better than a Mr Gbagbo, you have very good politicians in the background but they are not allowed to run the country. This is my opinion, Sorry If you can´t share it.

As opposed to you, I seem to have the capacity to distinguish clearly between countries and its people, landscapes etc.

So just forget my point of view, we have discussed this over and over again and your point of view as well as mine differ greatly and are both unalterable.

So continue to show us your nice pics

PEACE

[StormShadow]

I like this city, it has it's crowded skyline, composed of medium buildings, modern structures.

A little flashback if you don't mind me mentioning, I remember I had a computer strategy game for "Sega CD" titled "Third World War" and certain countries were available for a playing role, 2 African one's too, Libya and South Africa. Anyway the "Cote d'Ivoire" was an unplayable state in the game but one could invest or invade or sign certain treaties with the country. I recall invading the capital and I noticed that it had nice buildings, a nice skyline and highway system, it was portrayed quite well in the game if you ask me, and it motivated me to look for images on the net of this city. This is way before high speed connection and SkyScraperCity itself.

[Alloukou]

Crocodile ofodile, take your politics out of here. I will Report your rants to the Site Admin again. But before, let me inform all the people that read your stupid rants.

Gbagbo is the best thing that happened to Ivory Coast since Houphouet's death. Before he took office, your God Allassane Ouattara had emptied the government coffers after just 3 years as prime minister. when Ouattara was leaving, he declared and I quote: "Les caisses de l'Etat sont vides". Translations: "the country is broke".
At the same time, he had become multi-billionnaire in CFA.

Then came Konan Bedie and the disaster continued... by 1997, the World bank, the IFM, all international financial institutions had left Ivory Coast. All banks were closing. Abidjan was falling a part.

Gbagbo was elected in 2000. By October 2002, just under 2 years of effective power, Ivory Coast was rich again. He forced all the foreign companies to pay their taxes. He opened their accounts to see how they were ripping off the country.

And before we knew it, money was flowing in the governement account again; banks started opening again.
For the first time in its short history, Ivory Coast was not dependint on the IMF loan to finance it's economy. Ivory Coast was operating what the then minister of Economy called "budget securise", which means, we'll finance every thing we do, without foreign financial backing.
The french, who never gave the regime Gbagbo to last more than 3 months, were stunned.

The IFM publicly congratulated Gbagbo for a job well done. That's the victory that angered France. Gbagbo declared on national television, in front of the whole country, in English, his now famous: "Cote d'Ivoire is back".
Crocodile Ofodile, that's the short history of Ivory Coast.

But France had not said its last word. It was expecting a Gbagbo failure so that it could place its man, Allassane ouattara in power. As it turned out, Gbagbo had earned the trust of the Ivorians by putting the country back on track. The only response the French came up with was to arm his political opponent Ouattara to overthrow the regime in September 2002. The coup failed, my dear Crocodile Ofodile and the country was split in 2.

The French again predicted that that part of Ivory coast under Gbgbo's control would be bankrupt by December 2002. It didn't happen.

They predicted again that the country would be down on its knees by December 2003. He didn't happen. Just the opposit.

The revenue we lost from Diamond and the gold fields, from cotton farms in the North occupied by the rebels, was replaced by new oil exploration in the South. Oil price was going through the roof in the world, as Ivory Coast had started to join, though in a modest fashion, the class of oil producers. The price of Coffee and cocoa was up. Gbagbo could afford to by war planes, weapon of all kinds to equip the army, while paying the salaries of all gouvernment employees, despite the war. That's a FIRST in Africa. Many war torn african countries cannot pay they employees or conduct any government project.

Despite the war, Gbagbo completed the new Parlement Hotel in Yamoussokro, the new National Assembly and the new presidential palace in Yamoussokro were going up, the highway to reach Yamoussokro was under construction, the new tramway project, and many others initiatives were underway. Again, Crocodile Ofodile, it's a First in Africa.

Crocodile Ofodile, the French could not let Gbagbo work for 5 straight years. Because the French were losing the major construction contracts to the Americans, the Chinese, the Germans, the Italian.
That's why they demonized Gbagbo and attacked his regime just under 2 years after he took office.

But our spirit is strong, despite people like you that sing the rebel songs with their ally France.

I wrote all this to close this chapter. I asked you many times to tell me where to meet you to discuss politics. But you keep butting your ugly head in this photo thread to spew your rebel speeches.

Please stay out of this thread. And stop posting pictures that have already been posted here. Please delete all your posts from MY thread. Thanks.

[Matthias Offodile]

I won´t enlarge on this one because when I would this thread will end up closed again. I have enough articles and links to prove the opposite and many are NON- French reports on the Ivory Coast. These reports were done by American, various African, English and German scientists. Moreover, independent UN statistics all tell different story of your country.

And when it comes to Mr. Gbagbo "fighting the French"...this is just hilarious. Read this, very revealing stuff, the very same Gbagbo is supported by the French international socialist:http://www.lexpress.fr/info/monde/do...asp?ida=358275

I could easily litter this thread full of them. I have uploaded enough material that shows the opposite.

Why do you think that the US has put a ban on certain people in your country? Like Blé Goudé among others...the very same guy that fights French but has a big villa in the South of France, the very same country that he declared war upon..

But you act just like a well paid government politician (just like the ardently blind devoters of Robert Mugabe´s regime that hasn´t woken up to the reliaty on the ground)

Do your really think that French did all this because they lost a fucking bridge and a road contract? The French has lost the port of Dakar to Dubai investors, so do they go about and "destroy" Senegal? in your logic, they should. (The problems in Ivory Coast were long-term and din´t arise in 2002) Furthermore you have to learn a lot about foreign trade and economics, my dear. because a large French department store like Galleries Laffayette has a higher turnover than your entire country.

And when it comes to foreign trade betwen France and Africa, their interest is principally centred around South Africa and Nigeria. read and check statistics carefully and stop telling the crap from "Radio Trechville": http://www.dree.org

Who controls the cocoa, oil sector etc.? French economic interest in the Ivory Coast is on the decline since the early 90´s, so long before Gbagbo came to power.

As for new the parlimant building, it was principally paid by Chinese funds.


....independent reports all point to a different direction!!! I am not short of material.

When you go to the internet forum and read what the people say, they are generally fed up with Gbagbo and "la refondation" has failed miserably.

Anyway, back to the topic!

I even continued with photos but you took up the debate!

So let´s turn the page.

[Alloukou]

Delete your photos... all of them have already been posted here.
And for your rants, your source are all from the same ouattara paid propaganda machines that spread them around the world.
Gbagbo is here because the French faild to take him out. Did you know that the French army shot at the Gbagbo residence to force him outside? No, you don't read all that in your french/ouattara propaganda.
For every source you have, I can cite you 2 that say just the opposit.
And as I said many times, if you want to discuss politics, tell me where to meet you. We can debate Ivory coast and Nigeria all you want.
Now please delete all your pictures and messages from the Gallery.
Thanks.

[Matthias Offodile]

Yes, blablabla, you don´t have to tell me anything because my parent´s friends had to flee Abidjan in 2004! (one was a German lady married to a Nigerian , the other a French lady married to an Ivorian couple the latter lived there for more than 30 years). I am more than well aware of what was and is going on in your country and the biggest lie is your president and his monstruous wife! Belive me, I do hope that durable peace returns to your country.



Let´s close the debate.

For my part I offer you pics now!

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[Lagbuja]

Bien, mais, l'Abidjan a besoin des immeubles nouveaux.
Good, but, Adidjan needs new buildings.

L'Abidjan est devenir tres vielle et il a besoin d'aider, maintenant!
Abidjan is becoming very old and it needs help, now!

[Axelferis]

Originally Posted by Alloukou

Les travaux ont commence. Tu n'as pas vu la carte du trajet?

où cails ont commencé?? et qul traway y'aura? celui de la photo?

[kulani]

bump this thread up. since i just met a gal from Abidjan

[Lagbuja]

Abidjan definately is the potential to be the best looking city in Africa outside of South Africa. Luanda also has a beautiful skyline but it lacks variety, Luanda can put up 25 more (15-35 floor) buildings but it wouldn't have variety in its skyline like Abidjan.

Abidjan has buildings built in the 1970's and 1980's and were made to look very beautiful and modern. Lagos, Kinshasa and Lusaka also had some buildings built in this time frame, but don't look anything as good as the ones in Abidjan (especially that golden building). If Abidjan just put up 1 or maybe 2 new glass style buildings than SHEBANG, it is the best looking city in Africa. Abidjan just needs a little facelift.
Variety is what makes a skyline attractive, what do you think NYC will look like is all its buildings were built in the same time period, it would look boring and kind of like a light blue glass wall.

Special note (Those glass buildings have to be 30-48 floors).

[Matthias Offodile]

Lagbuja, the number of new buildings being built in Luanda will be staggering, don´t forget that!

[Alloukou]

construction underway

[deminath]

Originally Posted by Alloukou

The new US embacy. It was inaugurated in 2004. It's the biggest and the most sophisticated US embacy in Africa and probably in the world. It's slated to be the eyes and ears of the US on the West Coast of Africa, and probably all over the continent.

It's a big lie!! the same type is in Bamako Mali, in Conakry Guinea and many more places and i have seen all of them.

So stop propagating lies

Note: i registered because i saw the false information

[kulani]

Originally Posted by deminath

It's a big lie!! the same type is in Bamako Mali, in Conakry Guinea and many more places and i have seen all of them.

So stop propagating lies

Note: i registered because i saw the false information

Here's what the US Embassy themselves think

US Opens the Largest Embassy in West Africa (07/12/05)
http://abidjan.usembassy.gov/us_open..._07/12/05.html

(ABIDJAN) July 12, 2005 - Côte d’Ivoire President Laurent Gbagbo, U.S. Ambassador Aubrey Hooks, and General Charles Williams, Director of the U.S. Department of State’s Overseas Buildings Operations (OBO), officially opened the new embassy of the United States of America in Côte d’Ivoire, during a ceremony held today at the chancery in Abidjan. The new embassy is the largest American embassy in West Africa. The ceremony marks the completion of more than three years of intensive efforts by Americans and Ivoirians, who collaborated together to construct a landmark symbol to the strength of relations and the possibilities of partnership between the United States and Côte d’Ivoire.

"This magnificent new building is a symbol of American values and of the commitment of the United States of America to the future of Côte d’Ivoire and the countries of West Africa," remarked Ambassador Hooks in inaugurating the new building.

300 dignitaries and over 350 American and Ivoirian employees of the embassy looked on as President Gbagbo, Ambassador Hooks, and General Williams cut the ribbon to ceremoniously open the 21,845 square-meter facility in the Riviera neighborhood of Abidjan. The project cost over 90 million USD and will house almost all of the offices of the United States Government in Côte d’Ivoire. This embassy will also serve as a model for all American embassies around the world.

"The design of this office building is so exemplary, that we have developed from it a standard embassy model of which OBO is now using for all our new buildings worldwide. This recognition began here with you in Cote d'Ivoire," added General Williams. "In this building, we showcase American architectural design at its finest, wrought by the highest standard and quality of construction."

While serving as a worldwide model, the design of the new embassy is locally inspired. The exterior patterns of the building reflect the style of traditional African fabrics and the interior of the facility includes quilts from the American state of Alabama, with heavy influences from West African art.

[kulani]

The largest embassy in Africa is Pretoria (South Africa) with over 1,000 personnel. The other big embassies are Nairobi (Kenya), Addis Ababa (Ethiopia) and Abidjan (Ivory Coast) in order of size.

Also note that during the Bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Kenya had so much FBI and other spies at its embassy, that it become the largest US diplomatic mission in sub-saharan africa.

[angcammoc]

Ivory coast needs to renew their buildings as soon as possible...their buildings look so damn old.....

[Alloukou]

Originally Posted by angcammoc

Ivory coast needs to renew their buildings as soon as possible...their buildings look so damn old.....

Ivory Coast is doing fine. Go to BBC and read the news in Africa today May 15.

[Gabaoman]

Ivory Coast is doing fine. Go to BBC and read the news in Africa today May 15.

Salut mon frère, j´suis Gabonnais et très fier de l´être! J´adore Abidjan, c´est la plus belle ville d´Afrique (à part de LBV, ma ville natale)

Vive la belle Côte d´ivoire!

[Alloukou]

Merci le frere. Y a rien de mal a aimer son propre village avant tout.