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Old December 6th, 2007, 04:09 AM   #21
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thanks for the info and links.

one more thing, what's the length of the station platforms?
2 trains is the station length.



that is our transit plan. the extenstion of the south line to the northeast is the next thing to be built.

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Old December 6th, 2007, 06:21 PM   #22
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I'm not familiar with the Charlotte area and have only used Google Maps to look at the city for this post. I noticed on the proposed purple line, there are not stops between Tryon and Derita on Graham St. Why is that? It seems like a long section without stops so close to the city core.

I was also looking at the proposed street car line to the airport. This has me scratching my head. Why is a street car the prefered mode to connect the airport to the city core? It seems to me the airport would have a high ridership potential and thus a full light rail connection would make more sense.

Slightly off the topic of Charlotte's light rail, but one more question. It's interesting to me to observe that the airport has no direct freeway connection to the terminal area, even though there are 2 interstates, 1 state highway, and 1 US Route that surround the airport. What is the size of the city of Charlotte? Clearly a freeway speeding people in and out of the airport vicinity isn't necessary for traffic congestion. Or maybe it is, and it just hasn't happened yet.
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Old December 7th, 2007, 04:56 AM   #23
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I'm not familiar with the Charlotte area and have only used Google Maps to look at the city for this post. I noticed on the proposed purple line, there are not stops between Tryon and Derita on Graham St. Why is that? It seems like a long section without stops so close to the city core.
This area is mostly warehouses and there is residential, but to serve the people in northern mecklenburg better, this area does not have stops. there would be low ridership in this area due to low population density and it would increase the timing for people coming in from northern mecklenburg, most who would not be stopping at this station for any reason. the people that would board the train there for uptown would only have the opportunity to access the train during commuting times which is not enough for the area. that area will be better connected with enhanced bus service as a result of the northeast light rail and expanded bus service in the area.

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I was also looking at the proposed street car line to the airport. This has me scratching my head. Why is a street car the prefered mode to connect the airport to the city core? It seems to me the airport would have a high ridership potential and thus a full light rail connection would make more sense.
simple thing of cost - we only have so much income from the half-cent transit tax and streetcars are VERY inexpensive and do the same thing as light rail.

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Slightly off the topic of Charlotte's light rail, but one more question. It's interesting to me to observe that the airport has no direct freeway connection to the terminal area, even though there are 2 interstates, 1 state highway, and 1 US Route that surround the airport. What is the size of the city of Charlotte? Clearly a freeway speeding people in and out of the airport vicinity isn't necessary for traffic congestion. Or maybe it is, and it just hasn't happened yet.
there is the airport parkway which connects to the billy graham parkway which connects to 485. there are a few exits but it is not hard to figure out. there are plans from the NCDOT to give the airport direct access to I-85.
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Old December 10th, 2007, 04:27 PM   #24
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Charlotte will ready regret not opting for the retractable coupler and giant bumper on the front of the LRV like the Houston vehicle.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 04:35 PM   #25
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AN EXCURSION ON THE CHARLOTTE LIGHT RAIL & TROLLEY SYSTEM

AN EXCURSION ON THE CHARLOTTE LIGHT RAIL & TROLLEY SYSTEM

Our ride begins at the southern end of the line, which serves as a transfer point for many bus lines.


Charlotte Area Transit System (CATS) did not skimp on the parking garage.


There is one light rail line. The northern end of the line is shared with an heritage trolley line. The heritage trolley has spurs at either end that are off the light rail line.


Tickets are purchased from machines on the platforms and in the parking garage. These seem to be a maintenance problem as many were seen to be out of order.


A day pass is $4.50. The only advertising I saw on the entire system is on the back of the fare card. As with most light rail systems in the United Staes, payment is on the honor system. There are no ticket gates. I did not see a ticket inspector on the light rail vehicles. My ticket was inspected by the conductor on the trolley.


The vehicles are the Siemens S70 Model. Trains typically consist of two vehicles.


At the southern station, LRVs alternate tracks as they arrive so that one is usually standing at the platform. A group of passengers can be seen crowded around the one ticket machine on the platform that is working.


The floor at the ends of the LRV are elevated to clear the bogies and motors.


The seat bases in the articulated segment house sets of wheels that ride on stub axles.


There is a drivers cab at either end of each LRV.


All street crossings on the system are either grade-separated or are protected by railroad crossing gates.


The signature station for the system is next to the transportation center and the stadium.


The downtown area is quite clean. I only encountered one pan-handler and he was asking for food rather than money. There was a strong police presence in the area.


One of the advantages of low-floor light rail lines is that no pedestrian bridges or tunnels are required between the platforms. A simple walkway across the tracks is sufficient.


The heritage trolleys stop at the same stations as the LRVs through the downtown area.


The trolley I rode was a replica built by Gromaco. There is also a restored trolley that actually operated in Charlotte many decades ago and can be chartered for special occasions. There is also a streetcar from Piraeus that is probably in operable condition but is not used for passenger operations as it does not have air brakes. There is also a trolley from Asheville that is being restored.


The wheel to the right is the hand brake. The gizmo sticking up in way of the center window is the control for making the vehicle go.


The trolley and the LRVs share stations at the northern end of the light rail line.


The station at the northern end of the trolley route features a wheelchair ramp. The trolley I rode also had an onboard wheelchair ramp. The conductor stated that he couldn’t remember the last time the ramps were used. Wheelchair passengers prefer to wait for the LRVs.


The spur at the northern end of the line is used to queue LRVs on game days at the stadium. This allows several LRVs to be dispatched as sports fans exit the stadium.


The southern end of the trolley line is also a spur. The line ends at the trolley barn. The tracks of the light rail line can be seen to the right.


All street crossings are either grade-separated or features railroad crossing gates. This undoubtedly benefits the speed of the LRVs. It also benefits ride quality by reducing flat spots on the wheels due to skids during emergency stops. I regret that I did not time an end-to-end run. The light rail vehicles probably reached 55 mph between some of the stations. The top speed of the trolleys is probably closer to 30 mph.


The final shot is the trolley and an LRV meeting at a station south of downtown.


For more information, see the following links:

Charlotte Area Transit System
http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/CATS/Home.htm

Charlotte Trolley Museum
http://www.charlottetrolley.org/

nycsubway.org webpages on the Charlotte light rail and trolley system
http://world.nycsubway.org/us/charlotte/

urbanrail.net webpage on the Charlotte light rail and trolley system
http://www.urbanrail.net/am/char/charlotte.htm

Wikipedia article on the Charlotte Light Rail line
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LYNX_Ra...ansit_Services

Wikipedia article on the Charlotte Trolley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Trolley
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Old March 8th, 2009, 06:04 PM   #26
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Beautiful reportage!!!! I really like the vehicles. They look really blank and just terrific!
I also like the stations, very nice...
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Old March 8th, 2009, 06:13 PM   #27
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Looks pretty cool but why didn't they avoid level crossings? That makes the system not fully indipendent, kinda waste, if the LRT was built together withr the 'obstacles' - seems like "Our new LRT - inclusiv all that makes it less awesome, reliable and fast".
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I saw a documentary of this on PBS! One of those projects that demonstrate how PT can change life in the USA! I wish we had more innovative republicans like the mayor of Charlotte in our country...
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Those are the nicest looking LRT trains I've ever seen. What's the ridership level?
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Old March 9th, 2009, 06:13 AM   #30
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Cool...great pics there. Good contrast btw the old and the new.
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Old March 9th, 2009, 08:18 AM   #31
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Those are the nicest looking LRT trains I've ever seen. What's the ridership level?
I believe somewhere around 20,000? Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's equivalent to Vancouver's Main Street trolley ridership.
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Old March 11th, 2009, 06:57 AM   #32
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Congratulations to the people of Charlotte,
a true pacesetter for North Carolina,
on the opening of the new light rail system.

Both the trains & the stations look really great!
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Thanks for the pics of the trains! These are the exact same trains Norfolk is getting!
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Old August 30th, 2011, 11:15 PM   #34
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CHARLOTTE | Public Transport

The Lynx Light Rail Line in Charlotte comprises a 9.6-mile (15.45 km) light rail line serviced by the Charlotte Area Transit System (CATS) which commenced service on November 24, 2007. There are 15 stations in the system, which carries an average of over 21,000 passenger trips every day.[


















Map of proposed light rail and commuter rail expansions.
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Good start, hopefully other lines are soon built. Maybe a connection to Charlotte Amtrak station or make an intermodal station, and if Charlotte ever decides to invest in commuter rails, boom, its there. Also connection to airport is a must.
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Good start, hopefully other lines are soon built. Maybe a connection to Charlotte Amtrak station or make an intermodal station, and if Charlotte ever decides to invest in commuter rails, boom, its there. Also connection to airport is a must.
CATS is already making a direct connection to the Charlotte Amtrak station. In fact once the Gateway station is built (expected to be completed in 2014), Amtrak, Greyhound, and others will relocate there. The Center City Corridor will eventually link it with the rest of the system.

However as of now currently the Blue Line extention to UNC Charlotte has the highest priority.

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Old August 31st, 2011, 06:26 AM   #40
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Charlotte also operates a heritage trolley on the same tracks as the LYNX from Atherton Mill in the south to 9th street in the north. The heritage streetcar line actualy pre-dates the LYNX rail line since it opened in 1997.

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CATS Trolley in Charlotte by Joseph C. Hinson, on Flickr

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