Non-Rail Transport in the Liverpool City Region

[design_man]

Oh dear. Is someone going to write to b4mmy? John is a bit like Japanese knotweed once he gets established on a thread.

[Skewed]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16235349

The government spends more money on transport projects for Londoners than on those for the rest of the country combined, a think tank says.

The Institute for Public Policy Research North says £2,700 is spent per person in London compared with £5 per head in the north-east of England.

In a report out this week IPPR North says there is a "sharp disparity".

The government says its investment strategy is to maximise economic benefits for the country as a whole.

'Deeply unfair'
Ed Cox, Director of IPPR North, said: "Skewed spending benefiting London and the south-east is nothing new but these new figures are truly shocking and will strike most people as deeply unfair."

The BBC's Transport Correspondent Richard Lister says the report claims the infrastructure strategy is "entrenching the North-South divide".

IPPR North says almost half of the 20 biggest taxpayer-funded transport projects benefit only London and the south-east.

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TRANSPORT SPENDING PER HEAD

London - £2,731
South-east of England - £792
East Midlands - £311
West Midlands - £269
Yorkshire and Humberside - £201
North-west of England - £134
Eastern England - £43
South-west of England - £19
North-east of England - £5
The Department for Transport said London is a global capital which supports a large number of commuters and it points out the government had recently approved additional investment of £1.4bn in transport schemes outside London.

But analysis by IPPR North shows almost half of major transport projects involving public funding benefit only London and the south-east, accounting for 84% of planned spending.

IPPR North says the "cost benefit analysis" equation currently used to decide where investment is targeted is wrong and that lack of spending constrains growth in the north of England.

Mr Cox conceded that much of the spending in London was due to the Olympics but he added: "If the government continue to use a system that reinforces the dominance of London and the south-east we'll all be worse-off in the long-run as the south becomes more congested while the north continues to fall behind in terms of growth."

IPPR North has called for a review of all future infrastructure projects ahead of the 2014 Spending Review.

[Dingle All The Way]

Who am I?

[Ben_W]

Originally Posted by Dingle All The Way

Who am I?

John.
Try not to be a complete tw@t for this incarnation.....
(I really like the tube stop on Lodge Lane idea)

[Dingle All The Way]

Originally Posted by Ben_W

John.
Try not to be a complete tw@t for this incarnation.....
(I really like the tube stop on Lodge Lane idea)

Great, Another bell end. When have I ever said anything about lodge lane? If you want to know who I am why not send me a message and ask me politley.

[Ben_W]

Originally Posted by Dingle All The Way

Great, Another bell end. When have I ever said anything about lodge lane? If you want to know who I am why not send me a message and ask me politley.

Apologies - you may well not be latest incarnation of this forum's resident troll however, his opening gambit does tend to be slowly introducing the same ideas as if he just stumbled across them (a dislike of trams and London like underground system making use of pre-existing tunnels are 2 examples. If you are him, then the Lodge Lane tube stop is probably only a few days away from being mooted).
Either way I probably shouldn't have called you a tw@t .... can I blame the mulled wine?
Merry Christmas

[Dingle All The Way]

Originally Posted by Ben_W

Apologies - you may well not be latest incarnation of this forum's resident troll however, his opening gambit does tend to be slowly introducing the same ideas as if he just stumbled across them (a dislike of trams and London like underground system making use of pre-existing tunnels are 2 examples. If you are him, then the Lodge Lane tube stop is probably only a few days away from being mooted).
Either way I probably shouldn't have called you a tw@t .... can I blame the mulled wine?
Merry Christmas

It's not just you there are loads of people on here embarrasing themselves by giving me grief because I had the audacity to ask a couple of railway related questions. Lots of you people have been rude it's not just you. I've never said anything about tunnels. I have no opinion on trams and surely anyone can see that Londons underground is better than ours!!! Again, surely anyone can see it would be better to reopen railway stations than to leave them to rot but obviously mentioning it is some sort of crime in this sad little clique.

[aek-94]

Transport experts to look into Wirral tram plans
Jan 31, 2012

TRANSPORT experts will investigate plans to create a tram system around the proposed £4.5bn Wirral Waters skyscraper scheme.

Merseytravel voted to instruct consultants to look into the costs of the project, which would also involve taking over Wirral council’s heritage tramway in Birkenhead.

The council is currently trying to offload the tramway and wanted bids for it by next week.

But councillors at Merseytravel said they did not have enough information to sanction a bid for the tramway, which requires a subsidy of £250,000-a-year.

Merseytravel will vote again once a full breakdown of the costs of the scheme is known.

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[Chris B]

I noticed today that work has started to re-surface Greenbank Drive (running between the Smithdown Road/Ullet Road junction and Sefton Park). The road surface along here has been appallingly bad for many years. With potholes like craters, I've long since driven alternative routes into Sefton Park to avoid suspension damage to my car. Work should be complete by 1st May.

[kevsy21]

Originally Posted by Chris B

I noticed today that work has started to re-surface Greenbank Drive (running between the Smithdown Road/Ullet Road junction and Sefton Park). The road surface along here has been appallingly bad for many years. With potholes like craters, I've long since driven alternative routes into Sefton Park to avoid suspension damage to my car. Work should be complete by 1st May.

So have the council finally agreed to fund it?

[Chris B]

The work is being conducted by Enterprise Liverpool though.

[kevsy21]

Originally Posted by Chris B

The work is being conducted by Enterprise Liverpool though.

About time it was sorted,its been a long time coming for the local residents.

[Philly]

Hi All,

Was surfing the web and found this article/speech given by an Alderman of Liverpool in 1941. It sets out how he believed the City should be reconstructed after the war. It's a really interesting read. Even in 1941, he was advocating the removal of the Overhead Railway and the construction of an inner avenue around the City Centre linking the three main stations at that time together. Anyway, here's the link:

http://library-2.lse.ac.uk/collectio...000324/doc.pdf

[gottago]

I don't think it's been mentioned anywhere else but Arriva and First have combined their 72/472 etc bus services from the Wirral to Liverpool as well as the Chester to Liverpool buses into one united timetable meaning that the two companies now run alternate buses. This means that (traffic permitting) we can avoid the irritating situation where you'd wait at a bus stop for ages before an Arriva and First bus to Liverpool would arrive at the same time.

Perhaps the best thing about this is that they're now accepting each other's tickets meaning you can get any bus on that route, though I guess this feature will become a bit redundant once Walrus kicks in. Merseytravel have branded the whole thing as "Quality Bus Network" (or something like that) with its own logo so it could well soon be rolling out to other parts of the region.

[Pablo Diablo]

I think the 14 (City to Croxteth/Kirkby) is a Stagecoach/Arriva "quality bus" thingy. Don't know how (or if) it's improved service.

[PeterStoba]

Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo

I think the 14 (City to Croxteth/Kirkby) is a Stagecoach/Arriva "quality bus" thingy. Don't know how (or if) it's improved service.

Yeah the 14 route is that. The notices in the bus stop says that they accept each other's tickets but the arriva buses still charge more so I'll always wait for a stagecoach anyway.

[Dingle All The Way]

We have to get to a situation where there is only one bus and one ticket like they have in London.

[Pablo Diablo]

Originally Posted by PeterStoba

Yeah the 14 route is that. The notices in the bus stop says that they accept each other's tickets but the arriva buses still charge more so I'll always wait for a stagecoach anyway.

Don't blame you! I try to use Saveaways - cheaper than Arriva prices and you can use all buses, Merseyrail and local trains! (And ferries if you've got an All Zones one)

Originally Posted by Dingle All The Way

We have to get to a situation where there is only one bus and one ticket like they have in London.

Hopefully Walrus will be a step towards this.

[Mwmbwls]

http://www.busandcoach.com/newspage....4&categoryid=0

Will there be fare reductions as are occurring on Greater Manchester routes in Oldham?
www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=97189389

[LNGCats]

Reductions in Oldham are a direct result of Metrolink competition which will destroy bus ridership on the routes in the area.