Argentina Claims Falkland Islands Under Military Control

[Beta29471]

Originally Posted by desertswo

I think what poor, delusional AlfaBeta needs to understand is that at the end of the day the UK is the UK, and Argentina, well, isn't.

UK was Once Upon a Time an 'empire' as Spain, as Rome and some others faded empires nothing in particular or to brag about, nowadays is nothing, just plain and simple a few and little grouped states called the UK, big deal and in the near future less that that.

[Zool]

"we are not going to recover ours islands back by force but trough international politically induced pressure"

Yeah really feeling that International pressure now Alfa, Oh wait they don't seem to be doing anything, but that cant be right because Kercher said they supported her & she never lies.

P.S hows your pension doing since Kirchner's government raided your funds. Gonna be an awful lot of very unhappy Kirchner supports when they figure out she looted $29 Billion from their retirement fund & replaced it with IOUs.

[madjackmcmad]

Originally Posted by AlfaBeta

UK was Once Upon a Time an 'empire' as Spain, as Rome and some others faded empires nothing in particular or to brag about, nowadays is nothing, just plain and simple a few and little grouped states called the UK, big deal and in the near future less that that.

Thanks for informing us that we are not an Imperial superpower Alfa

in 2011, the UK is a permanent member of the UNSC with the power of veto (as much as you hate it), a nuclear power with reach and is a member of the G8 with a 2 trillion $ economy even after the SHTF.

And also a country building modern military equipment itself, whilst Argieland talks about it. And then talks about it somemore...

Yeah, woe is us. Will we still be as influential in 2050, probably not but there's a good chance neither of us will be around so how about we live in 2011 rather than 1805, 1982 or 2050?

[RobitTV]

Originally Posted by AlfaBeta

I heartily endorse this....

1) WE HAVE NOT BEEN A GLOBAL POWER FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND DO NOT NEED A NAVY DESIGNED FOR COLONIAL TIMES OR THE COLD WAR. THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS MEETING THE DEFENCE NEEDS OF THE 21ST CENTURY.

2) MOST WESTION NATIONS HAVE MUCH SMALLER NAVIES THAN THEY DID IN THE PAST. FOR EXAMPLE, ARE THE DUTCH, THE SPANISH AND THE GERMANS MAJOR NAVAL POWERS? THOUGHT NOT.

3) WE SPEND ENOUGH ON DEFENCE BUT GET POOR VALUE FOR MONEY. THE MOD, THE ARMS INDUSTRY AND THE FORCES THEMSELVES ARE ALL CULPABLE - NOT JUST GOVERNMENTS PAST AND PRESENT. THE TOP BRASS OFTEN PUT THEIR OWN SELF-INTEREST BEFORE THE INTERESTS OF THE NATION, AND ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE IS DELUDING THEMSELVES.

4) ALL THIS ANGUISH ABOUT THE LOSS OF ARK ROYAL/HARRIERS, THE NIMROD PROJECT, ETC. IS MASSIVELY OVER-HYPED. THE FORMER WAS A TOKEN CAPABILITY WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN OF LITTLE USE AGAINST A SERIOUS OPPONENT, AND THE SECOND SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE MERCY BULLET YEARS AGO. BETTER TO SPEND THE MONEY ON NEW KIT WITH DECADES OF SERVICE AHEAD OF IT THAN KEEP SHIPS FROM 25 YEARS AGO LIMPING ON FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS.

'During the Falklands conflict we lost several ships to missiles fired from aircraft 20 miles away. That ship-killing technology existed in 1982 and has been developed ever since. I don't think the overall ship numbers matter as much as the survivability of the individual vessels - especially through control of the air.

We must be nearing the time when the three arms of the military will be brought together into a single defense force. We've got more Admirals than Ships, more Generals than regiments, and a score of air Marshalls for our 200 fighter planes. Perhaps we could merge them and spend the savings on equipment.'

Make sense to me....we are not going to recover ours islands back by force but trough international politically induced pressure, save money, save lives, save face.

Cheers

YOUR islands??? have you ever read a atlas Alfa?

International pressure?

Argentina doesen't have an international influence, wasting your time....

[Beta29471]

[SO143]

God, you just edited the original one which i posted earlier? Please stop this attention seeking behavior

[desertswo]

¿Que hablen o que critiquen, nosotros sigamos trabajando? En la Argentina la realidad está, “¿Trabajando? ¡Quizá mañana!”

[Zool]

Meanwhile in New York the UN's Fourth Committee finished its deliberations on the remaining Non-self Governing Territories this week, making no comment on Argentina's claim to the Falklands and reaffirming the right to self determination for all the peoples of the Territories.

In other worlds Alfa your government has failed to get the support it needs despite CFK's rants to the UN & her claims of widespread G77 support they have completely ignored her.

[Beta29471]

Malvinas: Argüello says UK does not 'cut' Islands' budget to avoid Kelpers migrating to Argentina

Argentine Ambassador at the United Nations Jorge Argüello affirmed that the United Kingdom avoids “the social and employment assistance budget cut” in the Malvinas Islands because its inhabitants “would migrate to Argentina.”

During his speech at the “Malvinas Issue” conference held at Mexico’s Universidad Autónoma (UNAM), Argüello reminded “the street violence in Great Britain’s cities” registered a few months ago.

These episodes we triggered by “the frustration of the young people and other social sectors after the government cut the social assistance, education and health of the citizens,” Argüello said and added that “the austerity measures led to unemployment and lack of social containment.”

“Nothing like this happens at the Malvinas Islands,” according to Argüello because “England knows that if it cuts the social assistance and employment budget of the islands as it has done with other citizens, it will lead to the emigration to Argentina or South America, where the opposite thing is happening.”

The ambassador added that “the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands” turned out to be “not only complete British citizens, but probably luxurious English citizens.”

Source

[JackSwan]

argentina has welfare? come on now, alfa...it's either welfare or a solitary nuclear submarine, you cannot have both - that's just greedy.

besides, the street violence wasn't due to a particular benefit being cut, we had people in full-time employment looting as well. oh yes, our social problems are far deeper-rooted and insidious than that article suggests.

[madjackmcmad]

Argie spokespeople quotes are always good for a laugh. I still don't think they get the fact that the Falklanders control their own budget.

[RobitTV]

AlfaBeta is like a annoying bee

you just can't get rid of them.

His posts are actually retarded something of a 5 year old would post.

[Rev Stickleback]

Originally Posted by RobitTV

AlfaBeta is like a annoying bee

you just can't get rid of them.

His posts are actually retarded something of a 5 year old would post.

With regard to his posts, I think Einstein said it best...

"Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results"


Even if you call him a troll it's further insanity. Who, but an idiot, would troll about something which annoys him 1000 times more than the people he's trying to troll?

The fact that he has to post this nonsense in the UK forums is a rather glaring sign of defeat.

[AdmiralAnthony]

Originally Posted by RobitTV

AlfaBeta is like a annoying bee

you just can't get rid of them.

His posts are actually retarded something of a 5 year old would post.

2 years ago i was giving him lots of verbal stick. Fact is that is what he wants. He likes the attention. i for one have had Alfa on my ignore list for a long time now, i have no time for people like him. Just ignore the prick.

[RobitTV]

UK congratulates CFK and reiterates Falklands’ sovereignty is ‘not negotiable’

“On the issue of the Falkland islands we obviously value are ample relation with Argentina but we do not want any issue related to the Falklands dominates our bilateral relations”, added the Foreign Office.

“Anyhow our position on the Falklands is well known, there will be no sovereignty negotiations until the Islanders so wish. Sovereignty negotiations will only take place if the people of the Falkland Islands making use of their right to self determination so decide”.

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/10/24/...not-negotiable

My comment - The islands are well defended by powerful fighter jet's and a high-tech air defence system. Argentina should be warned no aggressive action will be tolerated.

If argentina try and make a move, they will be met by one of these they won't "move" very far then - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpVt...eature=related

Who wants to see CFK Having a little jig? (0.26 in the video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiFCUmjBsXw

Congrats CFK can't wait to put up with more of the lying bullcrap that blow's out of your big mouth.

[lonelykatana]

Originally Posted by AlfaBeta

UK was Once Upon a Time an 'empire' as Spain, as Rome and some others faded empires nothing in particular or to brag about, nowadays is nothing, just plain and simple a few and little grouped states called the UK, big deal and in the near future less that that.

Jelly cause you never had an empire? Becuase you're the turd of an empire which was pretty shitty?
Or still jelly that the penguins love us more than you.

[lonelykatana]

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW he was banned!

[mexico86]

Argentina's war on the falklands spills over into cyberspace.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10..._on_falklands/

Argentina has complained about the continued existence of the Falkland Islands' top-level internet address .fk, according to a local internet users society and other sources.

The nation's foreign ministry has written to global domain name overseer ICANN to claim the Falklands belong to Argentina, according to Internauta.

"The Cancillería de la República Argentina has sent a note to the president and CEO of ICANN, asking it to [Argentine domain name registry] NIC Argentina is considered as the only valid delegated authority for the domain .ar responsible for authorizing domain name registrations in the territory of Argentina, including those domiciled in Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands," Internauta said in a recent article on its website.

While both are officially recognised as British Overseas Territories, the Falkland Islands uses the domain .fk and the South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands has been designated .gs.

Well-placed sources say that Argentina's latest communication with ICANN stops short of being a full request to officially transfer control of .fk to Argentina, and that any such request would be highly unlikely to succeed under ICANN's rules.

ICANN is responsible for delegating country-code top-level domains (ccTLDs) to the appropriate manager. The .fk and .gs ccTLDs are currently assigned to the Falkland Islands government in Stanley.

The issue of the Falklands' ownership was raised at a open-mic forum by Internauta president Sergio Salinas Porto during ICANN's public meeting in Dakar, Senegal last week.

"The position that the Argentine government has had... is that the Malvinas Islands are not a state, not a territory, but rather they belong to the national territory of the Argentine Republic," Salinas Porto said, through an ICANN translator.

Under ICANN's rules, it is extraordinarily difficult for a ccTLD to change ownership without the written consent of the losing party. Such "redelegations" have happened, but never in the case of a territorial dispute between nations.

ICANN has a long-standing policy of deferring to the International Standards Organisation to answer the question of what is and is not a country or territory for the purposes of delegating ccTLDs.

The touchstone ISO 3166 list says "Falkland Islands (Malvinas)" is a distinct territory, so ICANN therefore deems it worthy of its own ccTLD.

"I think we are mature to make our own country lists. I think ICANN is mature enough to do it," Internauta's Salinas Porto said at the open session in Dakar last week.

He was followed to the microphone by Nigel Roberts, CEO of Jersey and Guernsey ccTLD manager Island Networks. Roberts asked ICANN to confirm that it "should not be in the business of deciding what is and is not a country".

In response, ICANN chairman Steve Crocker confirmed the organisation's commitment to ISO 3166. The dispute over .fk emerged during discussions of a related subject.

ICANN is currently reviewing how it divides the world into regions for the purposes of ensuring geographic diversity in, among other bodies, its governing board of directors.

A recent paper produced by the organisation said that many small island territories, including the Falklands, should be assigned to regions according to geographic location rather political heritage.

This would see the Falklands, which is situated about 300 miles off the coast of South America, relocated from the European region to the Latin American region.

Under these changes some US territories, such as American Samoa and Guam, would find themselves moving from North America to the Asia-Pacific region.

Recognising political sensitivities, ICANN has said that any ccTLD affected by the proposed changes would have the opportunity to opt-out and stay within their current region.

It seems likely that the Falklands will exercise this option.

The Falkland Islands, which Argentina calls the Malvinas, is a self-governing territory, able to make its own laws but relying on the UK for defence and foreign affairs.

The dispute over the islands stretches back to 1833. After Argentina invaded in 1982, the resulting 74-day war claimed the lives of 255 British and 649 Argentinian servicemen.

[skit_uk]

Has it really got to the point where Argentina are just going to pretend they own the Falklands?

I mean that's like a child who after being told he can't have a candy bar decides to snatch it from the shelf and cry "mine mine mine"

I honestly can't believe that this is a government of a country on the planet earth who are behaving like this. In fact now I think about it more, why do Argentina even care about a windy rock miles away from their coast? Britain sure as hell wouldn't care about it if it wasn't for the people who live there wanting to remain independant.

[desertswo]

Originally Posted by skit_uk

Has it really got to the point where Argentina are just going to pretend they own the Falklands?

I mean that's like a child who after being told he can't have a candy bar decides to snatch it from the shelf and cry "mine mine mine"

I honestly can't believe that this is a government of a country on the planet earth who are behaving like this. In fact now I think about it more, why do Argentina even care about a windy rock miles away from their coast? Britain sure as hell wouldn't care about it if it wasn't for the people who live there wanting to remain independant.

It's because of something that one learns about when living cheek by jowl with Hispanic culture, as have I in the Southwestern US. It's "machismo"; an often misplaced form of testosterone overload that can, and usually does, get one in trouble, as it has the Argentines more than a few times in their history. It never fails that when given enough rope, the macho man, or in this case woman (one cannot discount the gender of the current President in Buenos Aires) will invariably hang himself.