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Old September 27th, 2011, 09:50 PM   #21
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This is not an excuse for the violation of international laws .
So this project is illegal it doesn't respect

1-Fourth Geneva Convention
2-United Nations Security Council Resolution 476
Nonsense. The Fourth Geneva Convention is inapplicable to the situation. The terms of the British Mandate for Palestine, approved by the League of Nations, gave forever the right to the Jewish people to settle throughout all of Israel, including Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, and this right was made irrevocable by Article 80 of the UN Charter.
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jun01/shusteff2.htm

There is nothing illegal about the Jerusalem metro.
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Old September 27th, 2011, 10:43 PM   #22
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OK, I can understand Arab protests. I do not want to speak about politics, but, man, did you, or any other Arab people protest when Israel has built roads in Eastern Jerusalem? Never, didn't you?
Fact, for fourty years every infrastructure that was built in Jerusalem, was built by Israel.
So, please, if you protest, you should protest against roads, electricity, etc. as well. Why don't you?
This tram is a wonderful new thing in Jerusalem, everyone should be happy for it.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 12:21 AM   #23
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This tram is a wonderful new thing in Jerusalem, everyone should be happy for it.
I agree. It's very sad that some people just want to blow stuff (and people) up. Let's build more and destroy less.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 12:34 AM   #24
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Seems to me the line respects everyone in the city by serving the general population, regardless of their genetics.

Are you saying it would be better to bypass arab nighborhoods in order to stay within a border? How is that serving the good people of Jerusalem? What crap.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 01:07 AM   #25
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Nonsense. The Fourth Geneva Convention is inapplicable to the situation. The terms of the British Mandate for Palestine, approved by the League of Nations, gave forever the right to the Jewish people to settle throughout all of Israel, including Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, and this right was made irrevocable by Article 80 of the UN Charter.
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jun01/shusteff2.htm

There is nothing illegal about the Jerusalem metro.
That's not true The tram line runs through East Jerusalem and through Jewish neighborhoods built in an area of Jerusalem captured in the Six Day War, on which Israel's sovereignty is not recognized by the international community
-Several organizations including Amnesty International have denounced the project, which raises questions of violation of international law
-various sanctions and political pressure was established against Veolia and Alstom

and because of his participation in the Jerusalem tramway, to Veolia would have excluded a number of tenders which it was bidding:

contract for 750 million euros for urban waste management of the Urban Community of Bordeaux.
contract for collection and recycling of Sandwell (United Kingdom).
contract for 3.5 billion euros as the operator of Metro City Stockholm3.

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jun01/shusteff2.htm
I speak of international laws And you released me this israeli rubbish


@ Attus You have to be honest
You think someone can believe that justification stupid ''Should everyone be happy for it''
Palestinians protest that the Zionist state leave Their lands that means that the Palestinians have no need of roads or tramway or Electricity built by Israel that which destroyed their homes .....
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Old September 28th, 2011, 01:55 AM   #26
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Please! Could both sides stop this OT stuff and leave petty politics out of an infrastructure thread? And by both I mean the "building a light rail is a human rights violation" side as well as the "Occupation, what occupation? It all belongs to us" side.

I am sure there are places where these endless debates of the middle east conflict fit in, but not here.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 03:06 AM   #27
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I think this thread needs to be policed with an iron fist, considering its potential for off-tangent 'debates'.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 03:43 AM   #28
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I think this thread needs to be policed with an iron fist, considering its potential for off-tangent 'debates'.
Agreed. This thread has the potential to get ugly.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 07:38 AM   #29
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I think this thread needs to be policed with an iron fist, considering its potential for off-tangent 'debates'.
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Agreed. This thread has the potential to get ugly.
I think the thread has already gotten ugly. I would support removal of both the false claims regarding international law and my rebuttal of those false claims.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #30
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My final contribution to this off-topic debate is that Arabs right in Jerusalem seem to be happily using the system. The infrastructure actually serves many arab neighborhoods, which can easily be verified both on the ground and on a map. But I guess Algerians in Turkey aren't really preoccupied with what the people right in Jerusalem think or do.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 01:06 AM   #31
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But I guess Algerians in Turkey aren't really preoccupied with what the people right in Jerusalem think or do.
lol, score.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 02:37 AM   #32
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Was NIMBY resistance to trams going through Jerusalem's oldest streets partly to blame for the project's delay?
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Old September 30th, 2011, 04:38 AM   #33
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Was NIMBY resistance to trams going through Jerusalem's oldest streets partly to blame for the project's delay?
Many factor contributed to the delay of the project. A major Archeological find delayed the project for quite some time.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 02:06 PM   #34
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Was NIMBY resistance to trams going through Jerusalem's oldest streets partly to blame for the project's delay?
It's not actually going through Jerusalem's oldest streets, as it only tangents the Old City but doesn't go inside. It does however go through some of the older neighborhoods outside the Old City e.g. Jaffa Street.

What struck me most was the change that's going on around Damascus Gate station. That's pretty close to the Arab bus central station. The whole area was pretty shady (and partly still is), although some sort of plaza had been built in front of Damascus Gate some years ago. Now with the lightrail the whole area has been upgraded and I think that it will have an effect on the surroundings. It was my perception that most tourists used to enter the Old City via Jaffa Gate. Now I could see many taking the light rail to Damascus Gate and entering the Old City from there. I'm sure local businesses around the area will benefit from this. Maybe we'll even see a new Arab bus station sooner or later. That place is really messy.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 08:28 PM   #35
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This tram is a huge step forward for those who want to see the everyone in Jerusalem live together in peace and harmony. The only losers are those who seek to create divisions and enmity.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 11:44 PM   #36
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What is the schedule frequency now?
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Old October 1st, 2011, 03:32 AM   #37
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For such a modern line, where does the 1940s-looking blue tramway traffic icon hail from?
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Old October 1st, 2011, 04:21 AM   #38
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It's just a tram line guys, albeit a nice one. It will not solve all problems in the area, but it is not going to cause new problems as well.

I thought trains in Israel run on the left.
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Well, as car traffic runs on the right as can be seen in the pictures above, it would be kind of stupid to have the tram run on the left side, wouldn't it?
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Well, as car traffic runs on the right as can be seen in the pictures above, it would be kind of stupid to have the tram run on the left side, wouldn't it?
If trams run on exclusive ROW, that wouldn't be a problem.
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