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Old October 1st, 2011, 06:30 PM   #41
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If trams run on exclusive ROW, that wouldn't be a problem.
Even IF the right-of-way were exclusive, whether or not running the trams in the opposite direction of traffic would be a problem would depend on how exclusive the right-of-way was. If the tram were physically excluded i.e. grade separated, then it wouldn't matter much. However, if the exclusion were just a legal matter, then it would still be quite dangerous because cars do accidentally turn into exclusive tramways from time to time. I've often seen this happen in Vienna, for example. If the trams were going the other way, there would be far more deaths.
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 03:23 PM   #42
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If trams run on exclusive ROW, that wouldn't be a problem.
How would you do that on the corridor that this light rail is running on? You'd have to built large parts of it underground (or above ground but that seems even less attractive), making it more of a pre-metro system instead. This would cost a multiple time the price it had the way it was really built. It would be also eve more of a night-mare in this so historic area than an above ground system. Have a look at the metro construction in Rome.

You would have to build an entirely different system if you wanted the train sets to run on the left side - and what for?
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 09:07 AM   #43
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How would you do that on the corridor that this light rail is running on? You'd have to built large parts of it underground (or above ground but that seems even less attractive), making it more of a pre-metro system instead. This would cost a multiple time the price it had the way it was really built. It would be also eve more of a night-mare in this so historic area than an above ground system. Have a look at the metro construction in Rome.
Just an incidental comment: the tram doesn't pass through the Old City. Most of the neighborhoods is traverse are quite new, and none older than 170 years. Of course there is always stuff to be dug out.
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 10:03 PM   #44
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Just an incidental comment: the tram doesn't pass through the Old City. Most of the neighborhoods is traverse are quite new, and none older than 170 years. Of course there is always stuff to be dug out.
I am perfectly aware of that, but it touches old town and Jaffa street is not an entirely new part of town either, is it? As a matter of fact, this project was delayed by archeological reasons. Just imagine the would have built something underground in these very areas where they had delays due to archeology even when building above ground.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 12:56 AM   #45
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Actually the Jerusalem lightrail has its own ROW, at least it doesn't share any parts of its route with cars and buses. However, there are quite some interchanges and the most of the Jaffa part is also a pedestrian zone.

Still it would be completely retarded to run it on the left side (Which is probably why suburbanist came up with the idea). Tramways do not fall under the same legal framework as railways do.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 01:20 AM   #46
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The line was originally supposed to have a large underground section, much like the one that the Tel-Aviv red line is designed to have. I've heard lots of different stories about why the underground section was killed off, but the consensus seems to be cost.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 03:30 AM   #47
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Still it would be completely retarded to run it on the left side (Which is probably why suburbanist came up with the idea). Tramways do not fall under the same legal framework as railways do.
I'm not saying it should run on left, I'm saying it doesn't matter which side it runs. It's a bureaucratic decision.

Besançon trams in France run on the left AFAIK.
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Old October 16th, 2011, 02:27 AM   #48
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Has construction of a second tram line begun yet?
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Old October 16th, 2011, 10:13 AM   #49
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58 Jerusalem light rail drivers strike

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=241883

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"Citing wages and working conditions, the drivers are striking against transportation company Connex, which called the strike an unjustified act of bullying following months of negotiations including the Histadrut labor federation."
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Old October 16th, 2011, 10:56 PM   #50
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They go on strike after working just a few weeks? Really?
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Old October 17th, 2011, 10:18 AM   #51
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They go on strike after working just a few weeks? Really?
Yes, really. In my opinion, the striking workers should be fired. Better, more deserving workers can be found to replace them.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 12:21 PM   #52
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I guess there are not so many tram-drivers there, so the new ones have to be trained first.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 10:13 PM   #53
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Light rail back on track as striking drivers reach accord

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Old October 18th, 2011, 11:17 AM   #54
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They go on strike after working just a few weeks? Really?
In Toulose there was a strikre right in the very first day so that Jerusalem is in a big delay ;-))

Btw. has anyone information about tram drivers, whether there are Jews or Arabs or both?
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Old September 26th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #55
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What will be the future lines? Please submit a map of complete networks.
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Old September 30th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #56
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2011 saw some brand new tram systems around the world, interestingly some in developing countries. After Rabat & Algiers, tram has started running in Jerusalem.

Jerusalem is one of the latest additions in Asian tram systems. Thankfully, so-called developing countries are now competing with many of the modern, environment-conscious cities, and Jerusalem can proudly say that they are now running a trendy tram network with high speed, reserved track and smart designed tram system.

Please try to answer these -
1) Is there any plan to extend the network with new lines? If yes, please write some details and post a complete map with planned extensions.
2) Reserved or unreserved - which type of track layout is common in Jerusalem tramway network?
3) Which is the busiest tram terminus?
4) Which termini have interchange facility with suburban rail network?
5) Where is/are the depot(s) of the tramway network?
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Old June 30th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #57
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http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...extension.html

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Funding approved for Jerusalem light rail extension
28 Jun 2013

ISRAEL: On June 26 the Jerusalem Regional Planning Committee approved a 1·1bn shekel allocation from the Transportation Ministry’s budget to extend the city’s light rail line from Mount Herzl to Hadassah Ein Kerem Medical Centre. Total spending on the project is expected to be 4bn shekels.

Preparatory work has already started. According to the ministry, the 21·9 km extension will take two years to complete. Additional trams will be purchased to increase capacity to 250 000 passengers/day

‘The public transportation system in Jerusalem is going through a revolution that can be an example to other cities in the country’, said Transportation Minister Israel Katz. He explained that an extension was needed to serve the 30 000 visitors to the medical centre, as well as large numbers of staff.

The Red Line opened in 2011. It has been developed under a 30-year concession awarded to the CityPass consortium. The current fleet comprises 46 Alstom Citadis 302 trams.

Earlier this year Jerusalem municipality announced plans to build an extension from Kiryat Moshe to Har Nof. Katz said that the ministry is taking as its model European cities that have reduced car traffic and pollution by introducing trams.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/...ight-Rail.html

The extension from Mt Herzl to Hadassah hospital is in the lower left. Apparently there are also plans for a northern extension from the existing terminus in Pisgat Ze'ev to N’vei Yaakov.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 04:19 PM   #58
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Any news regarding the extension?
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Old June 19th, 2014, 04:46 PM   #59
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I think this, from Jerusalem Post:

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Jerusalem Regional Planning Committee approves Light Rail extension to Givat Shaul
02/16/2014 19:42

Route to extend 1.5 kilometers and add 4 new stops; Part of NIS 1.1 billion public transportation infrastructure overhaul

The Interior Ministry’s District Building Committee has approved an extension of the Jerusalem Light Rail route to reach the Givat Shaul neighborhood.

According to the ministry, the new route will be extended by 1.5 kilometers, from the intersection of Herzl Boulevard and Rabbi Zvi Yehuda Street, along Kanfei Nesharim Street to the entrance to Har Nof, with four new stops.

In a statement released Sunday, the ministry noted the importance it places on ongoing improvements of the capital’s infrastructure – particularly with respect to the public transportation system – to reduce traffic and pollution.

“By improving transportation from Har Nof to other neighborhoods of Jerusalem, this project will significantly improve accessibility to employment centers, education facilities and cultural institutions throughout the city,” the statement read.

“In addition, the program will improve access to the Givat Shaul industrial zone, developing greater employment opportunities in the area for businesses.”

Despite numerous objections to the extension, the ministry said that it authorized the project due to its “fundamental importance to further upgrade the urban infrastructure and use of public space.”

In June, the Jerusalem Regional Planning Committee approved a NIS 1.1 billion allocation from the Transportation Ministry’s budget to extend the light rail line to Hadassah-University Medical Center at Ein Kerem.

The railway currently travels from the northern neighborhood of Pisgat Ze’ev to Herzl, west of central Jerusalem.

Transportation Minister Israel Katz lauded the expansion, noting that it was part of a joint effort between the ministry and the Jerusalem Municipality to provide more efficient transportation solutions to the capital’s residents
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Old November 5th, 2014, 04:50 PM   #60
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Strange developments around the tramway with two attacks on people within a few days.
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