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Old October 28th, 2011, 08:29 PM   #41
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No, definitely not important and definitely not digging in. Haha I just merely pointed out that you were simply stating your opinion and that it wasn't shared with the masses who fail to recognize Miami as a top American skyline. Personally I like Miami. Have had a ton of meets and competitions in the area over the years. The food is fantastic and the nightlife is colorful and lively. But it's skyline has a long way to go before it's top 3 in America. That's all I was saying.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 08:49 PM   #42
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No, definitely not important and definitely not digging in. Haha I just merely pointed out that you were simply stating your opinion and that it wasn't shared with the masses who fail to recognize Miami as a top American skyline. Personally I like Miami. Have had a ton of meets and competitions in the area over the years. The food is fantastic and the nightlife is colorful and lively. But it's skyline has a long way to go before it's top 3 in America. That's all I was saying.
Yes, and 'arguably', I should think, strongly implied that I was stating my opinion.
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Old October 29th, 2011, 07:46 AM   #43
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You said "Give Miami a little credit. You should have seen it ten years ago. And if gaming passes, it will quite likely become the third best skyline in the US" and none of that implies your acknowledgment of it being your opinion.

But ok if you can admit it now then that's better than never.
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Old October 29th, 2011, 08:07 AM   #44
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After further review, I did say 'quite likely.' And so I stand by that. And why not ? You claim to be able to produce poll results to the contrary. I believe I could produce poll results to bolster my contention. Of course we'll have to wait to see if gaming is approved.

Your move.
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Old October 29th, 2011, 08:25 PM   #45
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Haha well I'd just direct you to the polls on this board that discuss best skylines and you'll find Miami nowhere near the top 3. While gaming would help Miami it's not going to stop the cities that are already ahead of Miami from continuing to grow. For Miami to move into Top 3 contention the list of cities ahead of it would need to stop building and that's just not going to happen. That's why I say it's got a long way to go.

But honestly this has gone well beyond the scope of this thread. That post about the inspiration for the towers' shapes is pretty cool. I have to say that I give the developer kudos for thinking outside the box. Here in Seattle we know that doesn't always win everyone over (EMP and Central Library are two obvious examples) but personally I can support the intention.
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Haha well I'd just direct you to the polls on this board that discuss best skylines and you'll find Miami nowhere near the top 3. While gaming would help Miami it's not going to stop the cities that are already ahead of Miami from continuing to grow. For Miami to move into Top 3 contention the list of cities ahead of it would need to stop building and that's just not going to happen. That's why I say it's got a long way to go.

But honestly this has gone well beyond the scope of this thread. That post about the inspiration for the towers' shapes is pretty cool. I have to say that I give the developer kudos for thinking outside the box. Here in Seattle we know that doesn't always win everyone over (EMP and Central Library are two obvious examples) but personally I can support the intention.
Yes, I'm aware of the *present* polls. But then of course it was my contention that gaming (if approve) will likely thrust Miami into the third spot. I believe it will.
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Miami is weird. It looks like it has one long, 'porous', over-stretched skyline that doesn't actually look like much in the end. Besides a couple of decent clusters here and there. It needs some unifying if you ask me.
The problem is that with the airport so close to downtown, Miami suffers from awful height limitations. There is a small section where 1,000 ft. towers are allowable and one proposed supertall, One Bayfront, may possibly go up this decade. But as it stands, Miami may wind up being one big hedgerow of 600-700 footers.

And once all the choicest waterfront parcels are developed, Miami will start to see some decent density. It's all about location and in Florida that means on the water.
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Old November 5th, 2011, 01:24 AM   #48
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With almost six decades of experience, Florida East Coast Realty President Tibor Hollo points to the Genting casino project as the major force shaping the future of Miami. Hollo had a large hand in the development of the Omni/Venetia area, which is the future site for the $3 billion dollar resort and casino project. He told the Sun Sentinel that the plan was "an extremely ambitious undertaking" that would have "a tremendous impact on the immediate neighborhood and Miami as a whole." Hollo came to Miami in the fifties and is largely credited with the early expansion of downtown Miami. At 84 years old, he remains one of Miami's most influential developers. His newest project, the mixed-use One Bayfront Plaza, will become Miami's tallest building upon completion. Overlooking Biscayne Bay, One Bayfront Plaza will stand over 100 stories tall and is the first skyscraper over 1,000 feet to be approved for construction in Miami.

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I love this idea, but I am way to unsure if it is not just another vision. It doesn't seem to be realistic in my view.
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I love this idea, but I am way to unsure if it is not just another vision. It doesn't seem to be realistic in my view.
Genting comes from Singapore where there is a deep pool of financing for his developments. With or without the casino, he has said he will build. But getting approval for the casino increases the likelihood of the full buildout of the proposal and much sooner than without a casino. It's up to the State of Florida how quickly this happens.
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Genting comes from Singapore where there is a deep pool of financing for his developments. With or without the casino, he has said he will build. But getting approval for the casino increases the likelihood of the full buildout of the proposal and much sooner than without a casino. It's up to the State of Florida how quickly this happens.
Genting is a Malaysian company.
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Genting could pay cash for Miami if it wanted to.
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It's up to the State of Florida how quickly this happens.
And this is the main obstacle that I didn't want to mention openly.
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Genting is a Malaysian company.
and they just opened Resorts World New York.
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This is one awsome project. But I wish the buildings were more up that out.
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Genting's Resorts World Miami has officially acquired the Omni complex in downtown Miami, naming Christian Goode president. The deal is the first step in the firm's plan for the area, and has now invested $500 million in the project. Goode was recently CFO of the $880 million Resorts World New York City project in Queens, which opened at the end of last month. Arquitectonica will design the 30-acre Resorts World Miami development, which is slated to have 5,000 room and two residential towers. -- Alexander Britell
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Christian Goode talks about the Miami casino plan, the project’s residential component and the Omni purchase


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Resorts World Miami and its president, Christian Goode

Malaysian firm Genting made a splash in Miami in May when it paid $236 million for the headquarters of the Miami Herald, aiming to build a destination casino resort, with two Florida lawmakers sponsoring a bill that would make that happen. In the interim, the company has also taken ownership of the nearby Omni mall, all part of what could be a major shakeup for a long-stagnant corner of downtown Miami. To lead the project, dubbed Resorts World Miami, the company named Christian Goode president, following his work as CFO at the recently-opened Resorts World New York project. The Real Deal talked to Goode about the progress of the Miami plan, early success at Resorts World New York and the company's moves in Miami real estate.

How would you describe the state of the Miami project right now?

The project in Miami is moving forward. We're focused on designing something that's appropriate, that's appealing, that will draw international visitors to South Florida We're in the beginning stages which are somewhat nebulous, and have lots of moving parts, but things are moving in a very positive direction.

How would you rate the chances of the Miami casino legislation being passed?

Well I won't speculate as to what the percentage is. We think that it's a bill [sponsored by Rep. Erik Fresen and Sen. Ellyn Bogdanoff] that… will do two things: reform gaming in Florida, and bring positive economic benefits to South Florida.

What is the biggest challenge for this project?

I wouldn't say we have any big challenges, but there are a lot of procedural things. We're working with all of the stakeholders to make sure that we address the needs of the community.

The project is not just a resort -- there is also a residential component. Can you talk about that?

It's one of the components of the project. We're looking at the design of the resort, with the kind of amenities that go with it, and we want to design a unique experience, something that's not already available in the marketplace. That's going to come online with the rest of the project, over a development time of two to three years. As far as the number of units, we're not going to significantly increase the inventory of downtown Miami, but we think we're going to have a product that is unique, to say the least.

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What is the timeline on the Miami project?

I think that depends on where the legislation goes. We're looking to break ground as soon as possible. We're in the planning phase, and were we to get all the opportunities in place, if the opportunity presented itself to break ground, we would. With any of these large-scale developments, there is a lot of work that goes in the planning stage, with permitting, getting approvals. The Herald has until 2013 to vacate, and we know they're working expeditiously to do that, and that's kind of the milestone.

Genting recently took ownership of the nearby Omni project. What is the plan for that?

The Omni is an existing property, immediately adjacent to our Herald property. It allows us to expand our footprint, and potentially offer more amenities at Resorts World Miami than we originally considered. We're still in the initial stage of designing that and seeing how that fits and complements our overall resorts.

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