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[litigs]

Originally Posted by chevy_boy

I'm not so sure about the technical reasons on why 5j's not happy with the ATRs.. Someone just told me that 5j was not that happy with the ATRs as the reason on why the remaining two ATRs were not delivered yet... But if you try to check the list of delayed/disrupted flights, mostly are those operated by an ATR.. I'm not really sure about the reason/s...

must be a glitch somewhere; could be red light in the avionics that keeps popping up, mechanical?,hydraulics?well, only 5js maintenance engineers will know; somehow this topic on ATRs didn't appear on the airports,airlines thread, someone raise the issue there and we could leave the airport issues for dipolog by itself!

[arianespace]

Funny, because I'm hearing the opposite. Straight from maintenance. I would like to dispel the hype against ATR. The truth according to one of its engineers is 5J flew them more than what the manufacturer considers fair use, the same way they fly the Airbus. So what do you expect, overused machines breaking down fast because of faster wear is reasonably expected.

Naturally, engineering crews work harder to keep them in the air and when French Pilots find something worthy for the bird to be on ground, 5J flight schedules go haywire. Although its bad for business its was actually the airlines fault in the first place.

The problem there was that maintenance is not up to pace with the aircraft's use. I don't know what the means but that is what the mechanic said, straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

IMHO, management blame the aircraft for performing below expectations because they are not keeping up the pace for its associated cost.

They do want to window-dress their IPO to look good to investors come selling time of its shares to the public, and that is minimize cost and improved profits. Its already on the brochure, and it was written good to convinced you to buy their shares. Clever strategy!

I was told before that with the way 5J flies brand new planes, they will only have 7 years to have maximum returns of their aircraft. After that they will have to pay more for maintenance to keep it flying.

Well, consider this, the first set of Airbus 320 they have is due for retirement already and is expected to be returned to lessors five years after they started flying it. In fact the additional orders were not additions but replacements. Geez, even PAL operates this kind of bird for 10 years and still going.

I would like to think that its continued operations is more like a liability to airline considering its flight cycles, maintenance wise.

[litigs]

Originally Posted by arianespace

Funny, because I'm hearing the opposite. Straight from maintenance. I would like to dispel the hype against ATR. The truth according to one of its engineers is 5J flew them more than what the manufacturer considers fair use, the same way they fly the Airbus. So what do you expect, overused machines breaking down fast because of faster wear is reasonably expected.

Naturally, engineering crews work harder to keep them in the air and when French Pilots find something worthy for the bird to be on ground, 5J flight schedules go haywire. Although its bad for business its was actually the airlines fault in the first place.

The problem there was that maintenance is not up to pace with the aircraft's use. I don't know what the means but that is what the mechanic said, straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

IMHO, management blame the aircraft for performing below expectations because they are not keeping up the pace for its associated cost.

They do want to window-dress their IPO to look good to investors come selling time of its shares to the public, and that is minimize cost and improved profits. Its already on the brochure, and it was written good to convinced you to buy their shares. Clever strategy!

I was told before that with the way 5J flies brand new planes, they will only have 7 years to have maximum returns of their aircraft. After that they will have to pay more for maintenance to keep it flying.

Well, consider this, the first set of Airbus 320 they have is due for retirement already and is expected to be returned to lessors five years after they started flying it. In fact the additional orders were not additions but replacements. Geez, even PAL operates this kind of bird for 10 years and still going.

I would like to think that its continued operations is more like a liability to airline considering its flight cycles, maintenance wise.

Thanks Ariane, not a surprise indeed. The French pilots know the planes too well. Of course, there's a certain flight cycle of hours before the aircraft undergoes its first mandatory check. I forgot the categories, but it goes with the alphabets. One 5j airbus chief pilot already experienced unusual engine noises before and was aware the check is due but bosses argued.I hope the parts are ordered in advance. Next thing you know, they will have to cannibalize to keep things going!.Anyways, sounds typical for LCCs.

[dashalvin]

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[arianespace]

It seems the ILS facility at Lumbia airport is Dipolog bound in 2012 and that means no brand new ILS for this airport.

[litigs]

Originally Posted by arianespace

It seems the ILS facility at Lumbia airport is Dipolog bound in 2012 and that means no brand new ILS for this airport.

thats "news" indeed. I thought the budget numbers I saw for Dipolog would mean brand new equipment. The news I read before was Lumbias ILS was transferred to Kalibo since they desperately need it there due to growing charters, and yes that ILS in CGY has long been inoperable because of terrain conditions; or maybe since the VOR/DME is still part and partial of the approach guidance then it was still kept there but the localizers and outer markers are not functional.Okay now the big ????, what will happen to that budget intended for new ILS if ever it was really appropriated. Thanks.

[arianespace]

That is what they said but like what I posted before, nothing is cast in stone just yet. I'm confused too as to where exactly working equipments eventually end up. But right now ILS is planned to be destined for DPL.

By the way, Lumbia's navigational equipments are still working courtesy of an airport in the Visayas which transferred residence. Some of them has just been recently replaced and repaired and for all we know they might yet end up in Butuan come 2012 which is right now the 4th busiest airport in Mindanao.

BXU ILS acquisitions have it as well and its not funded yet. The contract for DPL ILS acquisition is also not funded too. So nothing much to worry about there! Except that Butuan gonna have theirs first. Its interesting to see how the procurement goes in the next two years. Personally though, I think Butuan can pay for it more than Dipolog does.

Cagayan's ILS came from Iloilo while Tacloban got theirs from Bacolod, or was it the other way around? Anyway, Not that they don't have it, theirs weren't working. That is how CAAP recycle working equipments in a nutshell. Wait before other airports equipment get busted and they will end up there too.

Kalibo has brand new equipment to boast, courtesy of the Koreans, so no worries there. Apparently, some working equipments are relegated to other major airports across the country which to me is just right policy than rot to waste. For example, DPL radio communication equipments came from Kalibo when they upgraded theirs. Basically, its second hand.

What I'm not sure of is where the rest of CGY equipment goes because Laguindingan will all have brand new ones. CAAP identified two airports already OZC or PAG. I'm not certain where will they end up exactly. I wont be surprise if they ended up in Surigao.

Already, some of Iloilo and Bacolod facilities ended up in Ozamiz and Pagadian towers so what is there to add from CGY? Those are the questions which I don't have the answers yet.

[litigs]

Originally Posted by arianespace

That is what they said but like what I posted before, nothing is cast in stone just yet. I'm confused too as to where exactly working equipments eventually end up. But right now ILS is planned to be destined for DPL.

By the way, Lumbia's navigational equipments are still working courtesy of an airport in the Visayas which transferred residence. Some of them has just been recently replaced and repaired and for all we know they might yet end up in Butuan come 2012 which is right now the 4th busiest airport in Mindanao.

BXU ILS acquisitions have it as well and its not funded yet. The contract for DPL ILS acquisition is also not funded too. So nothing much to worry about there! Except that Butuan gonna have theirs first. Its interesting to see how the procurement goes in the next two years. Personally though, I think Butuan can pay for it more than Dipolog does.

Cagayan's ILS came from Iloilo while Tacloban got theirs from Bacolod, or was it the other way around? Anyway, Not that they don't have it, theirs weren't working. That is how CAAP recycle working equipments in a nutshell. Wait before other airports equipment get busted and they will end up there too.

Kalibo has brand new equipment to boast, courtesy of the Koreans, so no worries there. Apparently, some working equipments are relegated to other major airports across the country which to me is just right policy than rot to waste. For example, DPL radio communication equipments came from Kalibo when they upgraded theirs. Basically, its second hand.

What I'm not sure of is where the rest of CGY equipment goes because Laguindingan will all have brand new ones. CAAP identified two airports already OZC or PAG. I'm not certain where will they end up exactly. I wont be surprise if they ended up in Surigao.

Already, some of Iloilo and Bacolod facilities ended up in Ozamiz and Pagadian towers so what is there to add from CGY? Those are the questions which I don't have the answers yet.

I salute those traffic controllers and communications engineers sweating it out with whatever equipment they have to keep our airports working. So after much hype on airport upgrades and navaids, the icing on the cake is not very sweet after all, everything is still hand me downs.We can only hope that these old equipments still does the job and acceptable to consultants doing the ratings for our airports, if not, I don't know whats our chance for Category 1.Thanks Ariane for your quite engaging news.

[dashalvin]

Better give it to BXU as they have more flights compare to DPL.

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[seastwofly]

Originally Posted by arianespace

Its quite huge if we talked about airport development. Its like how Caticlan is shaped by Boracay. Without Dakak on its portfolio, DPL would be no different than OZC and PAG.

Now, CEBpac starts daily flight OZC-CEB beginning this July 15th with addl early morning flight 872 dep 0710H TTSS (flt 870 dep 1240H MWF), what's your views about this event? t.y.

[litigs]

Originally Posted by seastwofly

Now, CEBpac starts daily flight OZC-CEB beginning this July 15th with addl early morning flight 872 dep 0710H TTSS (flt 870 dep 1240H MWF), what's your views about this event? t.y.

Don't know what you want to hear seast but that daily cebu flight would just be back to the same situation before. 5j is betting on luring that pax abandoned by the demise of airphil flight to Cebu.You may also note that Manila traffic to Dakkak including charters is whats keeping the numbers up in Dipolog Airport.Also, Zamboanga City-Cebu is now airbus so thats why 5j have that ATR to spare for bringing the daily flight to Ozamis.Why not in Pag. when it has the higher load factor amongst the three cities?Chevy Boy can answer that and better yet Arianspace.Thanks!

[romantic_guy08]

Originally Posted by litigs

Thanks Ariane, not a surprise indeed. The French pilots know the planes too well. Of course, there's a certain flight cycle of hours before the aircraft undergoes its first mandatory check. I forgot the categories, but it goes with the alphabets. One 5j airbus chief pilot already experienced unusual engine noises before and was aware the check is due but bosses argued.I hope the parts are ordered in advance. Next thing you know, they will have to cannibalize to keep things going!.Anyways, sounds typical for LCCs.

You mean C and D Checks?

[marlowe_cano]

Originally Posted by litigs

Don't know what you want to hear seast but that daily cebu flight would just be back to the same situation before. 5j is betting on luring that pax abandoned by the demise of airphil flight to Cebu.You may also note that Manila traffic to Dakkak including charters is whats keeping the numbers up in Dipolog Airport.Also, Zamboanga City-Cebu is now airbus so thats why 5j have that ATR to spare for bringing the daily flight to Ozamis.Why not in Pag. when it has the higher load factor amongst the three cities?Chevy Boy can answer that and better yet Arianspace.Thanks!

hope we can hear this issue from Arian & Chevy too... Godbless SSC!

[seastwofly]

@ litigs & marlowe_cano


ok, we will wait... anyway thank you, guys... oi! musta na pala dyan sa pinas?

[dashalvin]

Mag daily din ba ang Cebu-Dipolog as what chevy said?

[chevy_boy]

Originally Posted by dashalvin

Mag daily din ba ang Cebu-Dipolog as what chevy said?

OZC-CEB palang ang mag daily... no immediate plans for DPL...

[chevy_boy]

Originally Posted by litigs

Don't know what you want to hear seast but that daily cebu flight would just be back to the same situation before. 5j is betting on luring that pax abandoned by the demise of airphil flight to Cebu.You may also note that Manila traffic to Dakkak including charters is whats keeping the numbers up in Dipolog Airport.Also, Zamboanga City-Cebu is now airbus so thats why 5j have that ATR to spare for bringing the daily flight to Ozamis.Why not in Pag. when it has the higher load factor amongst the three cities?Chevy Boy can answer that and better yet Arianspace.Thanks!

I guess that's the answer to our questions on how 5J can operate flights to Tawi Tawi as the latter would be one of 5J's next domestic destination.... Something's cooking inside the network planning office and Tawi Tawi's definitely on top of their list... another is Basco in Batanes but still studying the feasibility of sending the ATR to Basco...

[dashalvin]

Originally Posted by chevy_boy

OZC-CEB palang ang mag daily... no immediate plans for DPL...

Sir, pwede pong malaman yung latest load factor ng 5j sa aming airport? Thanks