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Old October 12th, 2011, 10:55 PM   #1
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TOURS | Public Transport

I open this topic to talk about the work of the first tram in the city of Tours in France. It will be inaugurated in September 2013.
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http://www.tram-tours.fr/include/SIT...plexe_sportif/
http://www.tram-tours.fr/include/SIT.../005_Choiseul/
http://www.tram-tours.fr/include/SIT...t/002_Beffroi/
http://www.tram-tours.fr/include/SIT.../009_Valandon/

Some photos taken today of the work :









































=> http://letramdetours.blogspot.com/20...obre-2011.html

An archaeological discovery was made yesterday in the center of Joué-lès-Tours :








=> http://letramdetours.blogspot.com/20...-joue-les.html

For more information : http://letramdetours.blogspot.com & http://letramdetours.net

Good evening !

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France is the best country for tram

Every city that makes a tram is perfectly designed for it (architecture & urbanism)
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Old October 12th, 2011, 11:59 PM   #3
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Great, they're on the right way
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Old October 13th, 2011, 01:49 AM   #4
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Thanks for the pics.

Can you post a map about the route of the tram?

I can see that will cross by the centre. Which will be the most difficult points and how will be solved?


As you can see, I posted the works on city centre of tram in my city (Zaragoza) in this same forum... and there are points really difficult so I should want to know how it is made in other cases.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 02:55 AM   #5
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-15 km
-29 stations
-54,900 passengers per day

Anyway I think that Tours and its public transportation system is not big enouth to have a thread.
The thread about Lyon was (unfortunately) already very lightly updated.

Feel easy to use this thread
FRANCE | Urban Transport Compilation

It would be cool if more forumers living in France come in the international forums to update the news and information about the public transports of their city.
As a French, I feel a bit lonely here.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 10:04 AM   #6
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Thanks for info.

Which is the budget for the line?

Are they any other civil works made together with it?
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Old October 13th, 2011, 10:35 AM   #7
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I totally cannot understand the wirephobia in the historical zones
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Old October 13th, 2011, 10:32 PM   #8
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Thanks for info.

Which is the budget for the line?

Are they any other civil works made together with it ?
This line would normally cost 369.1 million Euros (2009), the passage of the tram in the city requires the construction of a maintenance center:





A bridge over the Cher:


And a bridge over the highway in Joué-lès-Tours:


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I totally cannot understand the wirephobia in the historical zones
Tours has one of the largest historic centers of France, Alstom (the manufacturer of the trains) has decided to remove the overhead lines with a third rail that will be incorporated in the pavement of 1.8 km between the place Choiseul and Tours train station. An explanatory video (in French but easy to understand with pictures) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8KtI...embedded#at=55
http://www.tram-tours.fr/include/SIT.../005_Choiseul/
http://www.tram-tours.fr/include/SIT...tcat/006_Gare/
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Some pictures from today :















=> http://letramdetours.blogspot.com/20...obre-2011.html

Finally, two detailed plans of the line :
http://www.tram-tours.fr/tramdisk/To...an_general.pdf
Made for my site : http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/tram-tours/


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Old October 14th, 2011, 01:07 AM   #9
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I totally cannot understand the wirephobia in the historical zones


Let me talk again about Zaragoza tramway. It has very similar characteristics and that's why I ask about this project.

Line 1-Phase 1 was opened in April 2011 and Phase 2 is on works.

It will have 12,8 km and 25 stations. 400 million budget but includes a refurbishement of a 500m avenue over a river (first refurbishement after 90 years) and other works.


In main boulevards, including those near city centre, there are wires, but at city centre it is a tramway wireless. From Gran Via station to Murallas station it will not have wires. Trams have a battery to be charged while running under wire and using electricity where no wires.

The SAME trams are being used in a short line at Sevilla and the current Zaragoza tramways have tested this system in the current line (phase 1). While nights they made test and one of them was running all the phase 1 on wireless (much more distance than the future wireless strech)


I invite you to visit the thread of Zaragoza public transport in this same forum, where you will see updated photos of phase 2 works and the area where there will not be wires.

As well, you can see the areas at city centre where it will run and other neighbourhouds.
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That tram looks like the future. Amazing.
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With tram, a high-rise is planned next to the main train station of Tours.


The red line shows the tram.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #12
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Yes, I'll talk about those two towers in an article that will be online the
next week !

Illithids Dude : it is true that the design of the tram has been designed so futuristic !

alserrod : as is CAF, which built the tram, there are wire above the stations to recharge ?
I know that's what made the difference in Tours between Alstom and EDF because the latter offered wire at the stations while Alstom offers the "third rail".
Tomorrow I will post new pictures of the work !
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If you understand French (which I don't), then you can find lots of information about the Tours tram project on this thread in the Lineoz: Transport Urbain forums.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #14
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Thank, I know this forum (I also understand and speak French as
I live in Tours) and it is I who post primarily about that !
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Thank, I know this forum (I also understand and speak French as
I live in Tours) and it is I who post primarily about that !
Nice. It's good to have someone with firsthand knowledge about these projects.
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what a kickass vehicle design.

I like the station infill project too. It kind of reminds me of an old skyscraper proposal in Austin.
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alserrod : as is CAF, which built the tram, there are wire above the stations to recharge ?
I know that's what made the difference in Tours between Alstom and EDF because the latter offered wire at the stations while Alstom offers the "third rail".
Tomorrow I will post new pictures of the work !


Yes, it is CAF who built the trams and... the factory is in the same city (it has two different factories, but the Urbos 3 are made in this city).

There was a public concurrence to built the line and manage the transport later. There was only two offers... and everyone knew that "the winner" would be the offer where CAF had 25% of the company and the public bus company another 25%

(I think that after this great budget infrastructure, should the municipality chose a different company having the factory where the trams, trains and metros for half of the world are built... the responsible would be burned!!!!)


Edit: posted a photo of current trams at Zaragoza (Urbos 3 from CAF)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=712566&page=5
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Old October 15th, 2011, 10:45 AM   #18
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Thank, by watching the video it was my understanding that the energy of
braking is recovered when no cable ?
Photos taken yesterday in Tours Nord and Tours "center" (with the names of
streets you can locate them on Google Maps) :

Maintenance center :






North Park and Ride :



Rue du Colombier :






Monconseil :










Carrefour de la Marne :


Avenue de l'Europe :





Substation recovery number 2 (this is how ?) :



Rue de Jemmapes :


Rue Pinguet Guindon :


Îlot Gentiana :

New parkings to replace what will be destroyed :


Avenue Maginot, nothing !



The substation recovery "des Bordiers" :


Avenue de la Tranchée :




Rue Charles Gille :




Îlot Vinci, destruction will soon begun ...





Sanitas :





=> http://letramdetours.blogspot.com/20...obre-2011.html

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Urbos 3 tramways have batteries to be used wireless. It can be very interesting for avoid wires on city centre or near monuments.

Energy for batteries comes from breaks and from the own wire (where running on wires)

As I said, more than 5 km have been run wireless (they made some tests while night with one tramway unit).


Breaks leftover energy can be used in two ways:

- giving energy to the next train (option valid only if high frequency timetables. Requires that next train will be near)

- using for recharging batteries.


As I said, in my city, the stretch between Gran Via and Murallas stations will be wireless
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Old October 17th, 2011, 10:32 PM   #20
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Photos of this afternoon and tonight, we begin with Charles Gille street :


Destruction near the train station :



In the train station platform :



Sanitas district, moving the platform :





Avenue de Grammont, the track laying is progressing very well :








In Joué-lès-Tours a lot of archaeological finds to do :







=> http://letramdetours.blogspot.com/20...obre-2011.html

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