Which next developing country will become developed?

[Yuri S Andrade]

Originally Posted by Jonesy55

That seems wrong to me, especially taxing production and employment which should be encouraged. Taxing assets and consumption would be better for growth I think.

We have the same problem here.

Yep, and people know it. But it's Brazil, so that's not gonna change. They've been talking about change the labour, the pension, the taxation law system for ages.

Originally Posted by Jonesy55

We had those (or something similar) in the UK too back in the 60s-80s in fact I think you can still get them now though I don't know who would buy them. Interesting that there is no such thing as a launderette, they were very common here when washing machine ownership was low.

Yes, poverty in 2010 Brazil is still very different from poverty in 1960-1980's Britain. People (women, according to Isakres) in Brazil really need washing machine (we don't have those laundries like we see in New York's TV series; that's unthinkable here) and don't buy it because they don't have enough money.

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To help you guys to have a better understanding, I can safely say that everybody who got the money in Brazil, will buy all those goods of the list. So the % of ownership tends to be between 90-99%. Any figure lower, indicates lack of means to acquire them. Of course, the person could buy eventually (paying in 12, 24, 36 months), but as the income is too low, he/she has other priorities.

[xrtn2]

Originally Posted by Yuri S Andrade

States, not provinces...

They wash manually. There's no such thing as public laundrettes in Brazil. There's a thing in Brazil called tanquinho, they're much cheaper (and worse), but I'm not sure if they're excluded of the list.

Anyway, we can see clearly the huge gap between states, especially among the more expensive goods.

Tanquinho isnt a wash machine.

[Pradable]

Originally Posted by seems

are all roads in brazil as good as in those pictures? if they are then they are as good as in any developed country!

I don't think, they're all like that... For example, I've been in Santa Catarina a couple of times, and the worse experience i have had it's because of traffic, I love brazil, but it's the first country were there is traffic in the roads(highways), i mean they're probably in good shape, but traffic in high speed roads (intercity) it was a headache for me, distances that should last like 1 hour, it could end in 3 and a half. Anyway, brazil it's such a great country that it totally worth it ahaha

[Pradable]

Originally Posted by Skyprince

How about the general road and infrastructure condition in Brazil, Colombia,Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela and Chile ?

Chilean roads and infraestructure is probably better than 50% than developed countries, they're amazing, but they charge a lot for it that it gets annoying, specially in Santiago... the payment for the roads i think it's quite unfair... anyway... Peru roads are in very bad conditions, and Uruguay has a good infraestructure... never been in colombia and venezuela.

[Motul]

Colombia is in the middle of a very ambitious road plan. Currently 4 out of the 5 longest tunnels jn Latin America are being constructed in Colombia as part of that plan. The longest one is 9 km long. This is because Colombian geography is very abrupt and complicated.

[Yuri S Andrade]

Originally Posted by xrtn2

Tanquinho isnt a wash machine.

Yes, I know. I just don't know the name in English. I tried Google Translate and I got only "six-pack" and "abs"...

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About Jonesy's question over iPads in Brazil, I googled it and I found the following figures: in 2010, 100,000 were sold in the country. In the first six-months of 2011, 200,000.

People should post numbers about the presence of this goods in households around the world, especially in these applicants for development. It would be interesting.

[seattle92]

That would ruin the PPP lovers theories.

It's kind of hard to buy IPads with imaginary money

Sure, people can live with a dollar a day in some countries, but IPads...

[Jonesy55]

Originally Posted by Yuri S Andrade

People should post numbers about the presence of this goods in households around the world, especially in these applicants for development. It would be interesting.

For some things it can be a little misleading, for example London has by far the lowest rate of car ownership in the UK despite being the richest region because having a car in London is a lot of hassle and public transport can usually get people where they want to go which isn't always the case in smaller towns and cities.

[messicano]

Originally Posted by seattle92

That would ruin the PPP lovers theories.

It's kind of hard to buy IPads with imaginary money

Sure, people can live with a dollar a day in some countries, but IPads...

economy grow 3.5%

GDP nominal grow 30%

[Acosta]

Originally Posted by Pradable

Chilean roads and infraestructure is probably better than 50% than developed countries, they're amazing, but they charge a lot for it that it gets annoying, specially in Santiago... the payment for the roads i think it's quite unfair... anyway... Peru roads are in very bad conditions, and Uruguay has a good infraestructure... never been in colombia and venezuela.

I've been in Argentina (Mendoza) and Chile (Santiago) those last days and I found the road network infrastructure very similar (and quite good), but a bit more modern in Chile (probably justified by the excessive number of tolls ).

[Skyprince]

Originally Posted by Acosta

I've been in Argentina (Mendoza) and Chile (Santiago) those last days and I found the road network infrastructure very similar (and quite good), but a bit more modern in Chile (probably justified by the excessive number of tolls ).

Interesting.. Chile looks like a super-rich country , with nominal per-capita GDP of USD50,000 at least. Santiago looks like Utopian city -everything seems near perfect

[Acosta]

Originally Posted by Skyprince

Interesting.. Chile looks like a super-rich country , with nominal per-capita GDP of USD50,000 at least. Santiago looks like Utopian city -everything seems near perfect

It's not really like this...

[Motul]

Well.. I can show u pics where La Paz, Bolivia looks perfect.. Don't judge a book by it's cover lol. Remember it's SSC, everyone wants to show the best side of their city.

[Acosta]

Before getting here (in Santiago), I thought that Chile was easily the most developed country in Latin America. But now I start to think that it can be Argentina ().

[Motul]

But argentina has worse slums than chile

[Acosta]

Originally Posted by Motul

But argentina has worse slums than chile

Hm Chile has policies to have no slums in the near future while Argentina don't, but I think argentinean slums have better infrastructure than the chilean from what I've seen.

[Skyprince]

Originally Posted by Acosta

It's not really like this...

Originally Posted by Motul

Well.. I can show u pics where La Paz, Bolivia looks perfect.. Don't judge a book by it's cover lol. Remember it's SSC, everyone wants to show the best side of their city.

Hmm but I've seen so many photos of CHile- not only Santiago but Concepcion, Puerto Montt, Antofagasta, Iquique, Vina delMar-Valparaiso, Punta Arenas, Arica u name it, and even googled for "Poverty in Chile" "Slums in Chile" "Commieblocks in Chile" "Poor in Chile", "Rural Chile" " Village Chile" etc I haven't seen any 3rd-worldish images of this country

I've seen many 3rd-world images of Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil , Argentina, Malaysia, Thailand but never for Chile

Originally Posted by Acosta

Before getting here (in Santiago), I thought that Chile was easily the most developed country in Latin America. But now I start to think that it can be Argentina ().

Hmm I must go there soon

[Acosta]

I must clarify I'm not disappointed with Chile. It's a great country and pretty near to get the developed status.

I've seen many terrible slums in the outskirts of Santiago. Yes, they are very tiny (the overall argentine slum is also tiny), but there isn't any kind of infrastructure. I mean:



This pic is mine from today.

[Skyprince]

Hmm but that doesn't look like a slum at all... Kind of abandoned housing

[Motul]

That's not too bad.. Some of the stuff in my country is truly scary lol.

For example, this whole city is a big slum: