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Old February 16th, 2014, 10:40 AM   #361
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Hi Hans, your description of the location sounds pretty much right. The station is located between a backstreet entrance to Istanbul University (Vezneciler) and Sehzadebasi Mosque (a large mosque from the same time as the Süleymaniye). it is also just a short walk from the tram stop Laleli and there is a ruined Byzantine church nearby, the name of which I don't recall. Blaming it on the archeologists is a favorite of the God-appointed leader. In fact, while the initial dig had made it apparent that excavations would become necessary at the station, nothing happened there for years behind that fence. To be fair, it could be assumed that the authorities were waiting to see how the negotiation with UNESCO would affect construction and whether changes altering the whole line would come up. Excavating apparently only started up when works on the bridge and the rest of the line resumed.
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Old February 16th, 2014, 11:02 AM   #362
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Baron, thanks for this supplementary information. (Now that you mention it I did notice that little half-ruined church.) At the time I was surprised at the inaction: when infrastructure projects get upset by archeological findings in my part of Europe the government normally sends in a swarm of archeologists to do emergency diggings as quickly as possible. Here, there was total inaction. But since you tell me that negotiations (presumably lengthy ones) with UNESCO were needed, this solves the puzzle for me.

Well, this means that there will be no easy connection between the new metro line and the older tram line through the old town - which is sort of a pity. One day in the future people can, of course, go to Yenikapi and then take the Marmaray one stop back to the Sirkeci station, but it's not quite the same.
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Old February 16th, 2014, 01:30 PM   #363
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Well, this means that there will be no easy connection between the new metro line and the older tram line through the old town - which is sort of a pity. One day in the future people can, of course, go to Yenikapi and then take the Marmaray one stop back to the Sirkeci station, but it's not quite the same.
Once Sehzadebasi Station opens, there will be a rather easy transfer between that station and Laleli on the T1 tram. I believe even a pedestrian tunnel towards the tram is u/c.
Marmaray to T1 transfer at Sirkeci is not a good idea. The pedestrian tunnel is hopelessly long, as the station is very deep and not underneath the old train station, but further inland. If you want to go towards the direction of Sultanahmet Square, you might as well take the other exit of Marmaray and you will be within sight of Hagia Sophia.
For the moment, until Sehzadebasi opens and until M1 metro is also extended to Yenikapi (inch'Allah within the course of the year), for transfers, it is actually the best option to walk from Yenikapi, baggage allowing. Both Aksaray T1 tram stop and even aksaray metro station (M1) are within about 1 km, so doable in about 1o minutes, but have a good look at the map not to end up on the wrong side of the rather confusing traffic intersection at Aksaray.
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Old February 16th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #364
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Old February 16th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #365
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I found on Wiki updated map and noticed planned M2 southern extension beyond Yenkapi. Is still planning?

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Old February 16th, 2014, 11:07 PM   #366
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Yes, the plan to extend M2 westwards has been around for a while. According to the official metro website by the municpality (which is overoptimistic), the western extension should be completed by 2018 and will run as far as the Incirli station on M1. It would be very useful, as it would serve densely populated parts of the city and would cut traveling time towards the airport immensely (by 14 minutes).
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Old February 17th, 2014, 12:08 PM   #367
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Baron Hirsh, thank you for the information you provide in English.
I am really glad to see M2 reaching Yenikapi.
I would like to ask if the following idea is possible for realization: The (controversial) mayor mentioned upgrading T4 to a metro. It is possible the line to go from Edirnekapi to Venzeciler (there was an old project for that) and further till Sirkeci? Is it reasonable?
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Old February 17th, 2014, 04:57 PM   #368
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Zdrasti Intelligent, yes, Topbas has announced that he will have a study done about converting T4 into a metro. Half the stations are already underground, so i do not see why turning the other half into underground stops and undertunneling the level crossings should not work as well. The question is rather whether the investment is feasible At the moment T4 is the most poorly used of all Istanbul rail systems (except T3, which is basically just a neighborhood service). The study should therefore investigate well the feasibility question. The situation could change if the line, instead of ending abrubtly outside the city wall, would continue to Vezneciler, connecting to T1 and M2 there. It would serve a very tightly inhabited and congested part of the old city (Fatih Mahellesi) in bitter need of closer rail access. However digging within the city walls tends to create surprises due to the archaeologic treasures you can find there, so the municpality has avoided new downtown metro construction in recent years.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 10:39 PM   #369
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Old February 21st, 2014, 07:15 PM   #370
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 12:27 PM   #371
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Old March 2nd, 2014, 06:37 PM   #373
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Tiny system called "mini metro",






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Old March 2nd, 2014, 07:16 PM   #374
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It's now Metro Line 6. When the opening will be?
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 12:18 AM   #375
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The platforms look really narrow.
How long will the train be? 3 cars?
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2 extendable to 3.
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Old March 10th, 2014, 11:13 PM   #377
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I know it's old news, but here the technical explonation of new Turkish trams:

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Istanbul Ulasım unveils locally-developed LRV
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TURKEY: Under the slogan ‘100% Istanbullu’, urban transport operator Istanbul Ulasım has unveiled the first of a series build of 18 high-floor light rail vehicles which it has specified, designed and commissioned itself.

IU has produced a number of prototype and demonstrator LRVs over the past decade as it seeks to enhance its in-house engineering skills, and the operator now believes it is in a strong position to develop a range of locally-designed and assembled cars to operate across the city’s rapidly expanding network of tram, light rail and light metro lines.

Initially, the ‘100% Istanbullu’ cars are to be deployed on route T4 between Topkapi and Habibler, partly replacing a fleet of former Köln Stadtbahn cars, but IU also envisages their use in multiple on the Aksaray – Kirazlı/Atatürk Airport light metro routes.

The two-section LRV is 25·4 m long and 2650 mm wide, with a floor height of 920 mm. Where possible, components have been sourced from domestic suppliers, including bogies from Kayseri-based Railtur and bodyshells from Bozankaya Group. Components sourced internationally include traction equipment from Vossloh Kiepe, gangways from Hübner and couplers from Dellner.

IU has been responsible for supervising both concept and industrial design, with a key objective being to develop ‘an aesthetic which suits Istanbul specifically’. Other local features include a bespoke driving cab tailored to local conditions and staff preferences, and a reinforced saloon designed for a loading of six passengers/m2, rather than the four passengers/m2 typically offered, reflecting the city’s very heavy patronage of light rail.

IU is continuing to develop the design with a view to introducing battery-hybrid and low-floor variants. The operator expects to need up to 1 000 more LRVs over the next decade as its network grows.
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Old March 11th, 2014, 01:38 PM   #378
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The vehicle shown on the previous page are are a light rail, not tram, which will be running on T4. Despite its name, T4 is a light rail line. But some people wrote here that T4 will be converted to metro in future. It is really good news. Metro is far better than light rail. I suggest also to convert M1 to metro, like M2 & M4.

If T4 will be converted to metro, what was the necessity to install new light rail rolling stocks on that line?
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Old March 11th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #379
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There was no necessity. Istanbul has enough trams for its present services and will concentrate on metros and there is no plan for a new tram line until 2026. It was more a propagandistic effect: such a tram can save much money over imported ones. However, there is no immediate need for them now and Bursa has already beat Istanbul to it, producing local trams.
And please, Mitra, stop telling us what is a tram and what is a light rail system. These categories tend to blur and T4 is a perfect example of that.
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Latest from Istanbul - Vezneciler metro station on M2 line is now opened
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