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Old November 30th, 2011, 03:53 PM   #21
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People non invited by the Vatican cannot (with few exceptions) enter its territory, so the problem of traffic (or traffic laws) doesn't exist.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:03 PM   #22
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They could well build an underground expressway along Via della Conciliazone but I don't think that is happening. Just my pipe-dream of a network of underground expressways in Roma.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #23
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do they have their own asphalt crew?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:56 PM   #24
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Selective entry system for cars

2.1 million cars enter every year the smallest country in the world

The State of Vatican City is jammed by cars (2.1 million in 2010, slightly less than 6000 per day) and authorities are trying to fix this situation. As for the new laws on "citizenship, residency and access", signed by pope Benedict XVI on 22nd February, non-citizens or non-residents are required to apply for a permit in order to enter the microstate.
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http://www.repubblica.it/motori/ecoa...iuso-13049509/
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Old November 30th, 2011, 05:19 PM   #25
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Slightly off topic, but I assume they still let tourists and worshipers into St. Peter's (and whatever else is significant to the public at large) without permits? Or did you mean permits are required to enter by car?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 05:24 PM   #26
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The permit is required only to enter the Vatican by car.

Btw, the article estimates at a stunning 18 million the number of tourists into St. Peter each year.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 05:43 PM   #27
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A pic I took during my trip to Rome:

Entering Vatican trough Porta Sant'Anna. The border crossing is guarded and I'm not sure if someone can enter freely by foot here or only tour groups and autorized people are allowed. In Vatican I only visit the square, the Basilica and the museums that aren't accessible from that gate.

There is even a speed limit in Vatican.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:36 PM   #28
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There are border checks there? Or the Vatican is part of Schengen?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #29
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Where do all these cars enter the Vatican City? I only know of two roads into it and I can't believe there're 6,000 cars passing there daily. Where do they park anyway?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 07:13 PM   #30
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There are border checks there? Or the Vatican is part of Schengen?
Vatican is NOT part of Schengen, so border checks are enforced. St Peter's Square, however, enjoys a particular status and checks are not enforced. Based on this status, it is patrolled by Italian security forces, not Vatican.

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Where do all these cars enter the Vatican City? I only know of two roads into it and I can't believe there're 6,000 cars passing there daily. Where do they park anyway?
Maybe in the catacombs
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Old November 30th, 2011, 07:26 PM   #31
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There are border checks there? Or the Vatican is part of Schengen?
It's so small you could consider them security at the entrance to a private property, rather than border guards. (In fact, is the Vatican entirely church-owned?)
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Old November 30th, 2011, 07:37 PM   #32
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It's so small you consider them security at the entrance to a private property, rather than border guards. (In fact, is the Vatican entirely church-owned?)
Vatican City is a country, created to give sovereignty to the Holy See, which is the real international subject. Embassies are formally accreditet to the Holy See, not the SCV. So, in a sense, SCV is "owned" by Holy See.

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It's so small you could consider them security at the entrance to a private property, rather than border guards. (In fact, is the Vatican entirely church-owned?)
That's what I thought of as well. Something like parking spaces for residents or VIP. But I don't think the Vatican City is owned by the church or by the Holy See. I think that's like saying that the US is owned by the US government. Btw:
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Old November 30th, 2011, 11:45 PM   #34
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That's what I thought of as well. Something like parking spaces for residents or VIP. But I don't think the Vatican City is owned by the church or by the Holy See. I think that's like saying that the US is owned by the US government.
It is not the same. Vatican City is a limited sovereignty state. If you can read some Italian, here it is explained:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_s...0_sul_Vaticano
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Oh, I see, thanks.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 05:21 PM   #36
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That's what I thought of as well. Something like parking spaces for residents or VIP. But I don't think the Vatican City is owned by the church or by the Holy See. I think that's like saying that the US is owned by the US government. Btw:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenge...an_microstates
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 01:51 AM   #37
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Some pics I took from the balcony of the dome of St. Peter's Basicila showing Vatican roads:
(watch out for the tall stone wall -where visible- which is the border with Italy)
Photos taken Sep 2013.

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Old October 3rd, 2013, 02:23 AM   #38
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Where do all these cars enter the Vatican City? I only know of two roads into it and I can't believe there're 6,000 cars passing there daily. Where do they park anyway?
I was just there a month ago and the vast majority of the cars are actually tour buses that "enter" the Vatican and then immediately leave. They drop off the tourists a few hundred meters outside the Vatican and then you walk on foot if you want to go inside.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #39
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Some more roadpics taken in Sep 2013

- from the ground - this is left of the Basilica, Google does not show road name:


- from the stairs to Dome of St Peter's Basilica:


- from the Dome:
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