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Old November 8th, 2011, 04:39 PM   #261
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The museum looks very interesting. Shame it's not somewhere closer to the Wakefield or Leeds city centre. Great photos anyways
It's actually closer to Barnsley.....South Yorkshire was one of the mining heartlands, so it's a very appropriate location. But as you say, it's out of the way. It's just off the M1 motorway, so very accessible by car.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 05:35 PM   #262
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The museum looks very interesting. Shame it's not somewhere closer to the Wakefield or Leeds city centre. Great photos anyways
I actually think that's a good thing. Most people who visit other countries go to urban areas, so it's good to get off the track and get to know places where supposedly no one would go.

Great pictures from the mine!
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Old November 8th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #263
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Yes, they are not as expensive as NYC, but NYC is a huge city and one of the most expensive cities in the US.

Wakefield is a small city outside a mid sized city. It't not clear to me why it should be so expensive unless the zoning limits new construction so existing homes become more expensive. I believe these homes would be well out of the price range of most of the British people.
Those house prices are very normal, cheaper than in the South even, they look so cheap compared to what you get round here.

You're right about the zoning laws, its called the Green Belt, cities and towns haven't really been able to expand much out from how they were in the 1930's. People have to take out very large mortgages.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 06:54 PM   #264
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Those house prices are very normal, cheaper than in the South even

You're right about the zoning laws, its called the Green Belt, cities and towns haven't really been able to expand much out from how they were in the 1930's. People have to take out very large mortgages.
Yeah, if our visitors think these prices are expensive they should visit London and the surrounding regions!

As I posted in another thread...

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Home prices have started to slide again recently, down 2.6% in 12 months to average in England & Wales of £162,109 ($261,000 @ current £1=$1.61)

Average by type

Detached houses £257,187
Semi-detached houses £153,059
Flats/Apartments £152,286
Terraced Houses £122,494

Average by region

London £349,026
Southeast England £207,224
Southwest England £173,331
East England £171,600
West Midlands £130,308
East Midlands £122,973
Yorkshire & Humber £121,680
Wales £117,813
Northwest England £115,057
Northeast England £100,616

Most expensive 5 local authority areas (all London)

Kensington & Chelsea £954,663
City of Westminster £675,408
Camden £583,407
Hammersmith & Fulham £521,241
Richmond-upon-Thames £455,732

5 cheapest local authority areas

City of Kingston-upon-Hull £70,717
City of Stoke-on-Trent £70,980
Blaneau Gwent £72,188
Merthyr Tydfil £73,468
Hartlepool £76,493

http://www1.landregistry.gov.uk/uplo...11_sb5ar16.pdf

However rents are rising fast, currently at record levels up 4.3% in 12 months.

Region Average Rents September 2011
London £1,029
South East £746
East of England £741
South West £648
North West £577
Wales £564
East Midlands £551
West Midlands £550
Yorkshire and The Humber £530
North East £524

England & Wales £718

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/m...al-buyers.html
Local wages in Wakefield probably aren't very high but the town is well placed for commuting elsewhere. Leeds, Bradford and Sheffield are all very close, York and numerous other smaller towns are easily reached while even Manchester and Hull are only an hour away. So that gives plenty of employment options, probably 8-9m people live within an hour's drive.

Edit: Looked it up, median wage for full-time workers residing in Wakefield borough is around £23,000 ($37,000) which is about 12% lower than the UK average so those cheaper houses shown are still around 5x the average income of a single person in the area, the more expensive detached houses 10x a single person or 5x an average couple both working full-time.

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Old November 8th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #265
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Fortunately it prevents urban sprawl from going on and on and on into the countryside.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 07:35 PM   #266
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Without the green belt the whole of west yorkshire would be urbanised
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Old November 8th, 2011, 07:36 PM   #267
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And South East England for that matter!
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Old November 8th, 2011, 08:07 PM   #268
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...and the North West and the Midlands.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 08:09 PM   #269
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Fortunately it prevents urban sprawl from going on and on and on into the countryside.
That's true, and I generally support that, but if we're going to choose that option we need to build taller. 6-7 floor apartment buildings and 3-4 storey townhouses rather than 2-storey houses and bungalows if we want to avoid cramped, expensive housing.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 09:00 PM   #270
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I think there are good and bad things about the Green Belt. On the one hand it protects the countryside, on the other hand there is a real lake of housing
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Old November 8th, 2011, 11:55 PM   #271
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Nice mining museum. I visited the national coal museum of Wales (the big pit) a few years ago, and it looked similar. The coal mines in my country have a different style though.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 12:07 AM   #272
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The Victorian quarter in Leeds recently put the decorations up. Thought you might be interested 600west





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Old November 9th, 2011, 12:18 AM   #273
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Lovely. A real feature of Leeds.

I wish Liverpool still had its Victorian arcades intact. ( one was bombed during the war, I understand, and another is lying hidden behind a facade on Lord Street)
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Old November 9th, 2011, 01:01 AM   #274
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Yes, beautiful pictures. Thanks for sharing. Sadly, after my first day in Leeds I never did make it back to the arcades. I was too busy running around to other places. But they are a real treasure.

I'm slightly bemused by the rivalry Liverpool, Manchester, and Leeds. All three are spectacular, if different, cities and I could easily live in any one of them. And if I did live in one of them I would be visiting the other two regularly.
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Lovely. A real feature of Leeds.

I wish Liverpool still had its Victorian arcades intact. ( one was bombed during the war, I understand, and another is lying hidden behind a facade on Lord Street)
They don't seem common at all in the UK, a google image search of 'Victorian arcades' brought up mostly images of Leeds ones.
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They don't seem common at all in the UK, a google image search of 'Victorian arcades' brought up mostly images of Leeds ones.
I think it might be because the one in Leeds is well integrated with the shopping scene and also has a high footfall of people actually going there to shop or passing through/ just having a general nosy. It's also memorable as it is impressive, was one of the first things I saw when I was in Leeds for an open day at the uni. Can't speak for anywhere else but the Barton arcade in Manchester in comparison is hidden away from the street scape/isn't as noticeable and also not really having any big name brands and only it's ground floors being used for retail. It also mostly only gets footfall of people going through to deansgate from st Ann's square which isn't a lot really since most people will just walk around or go through the passage then through cafe Nero etc.

We did have another two, the larger one was on the site of where urbis was, and the other was somewhere else on deansgate, not sure where but there's photos in MCC photo archive.
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They don't seem common at all in the UK, a google image search of 'Victorian arcades' brought up mostly images of Leeds ones.
Newcastle and Cardiff also have Victorian arcades - still in use.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 03:26 AM   #279
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awesome gallery!
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Monday morning I again got up bright and early as I had another out of town trip planned - this time to the planned industrial town of Saltaire. And again I had to walk the mile and a half down to the city center.

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These buildings were right off of Victoria road, up above the University of Leeds campus. I have to say I really like them. Some might complain that their weathering makes them look unattractive but I think they have great character and authenticity.

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One of the principal university buildings.

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As you will see the University of Leeds campus, which is quite large, is an eclectic mix of old Victorian buildings and very modern buildings. I liked it. And the new buildings show that significant investments are being made in the educational system by the government.

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They had very large signs on all the buildings giving four digit numbers. I guess it was to identify the buildings but it seemed strange to me. Regardless, in the case of the building in this picture they spelled out the four digit number with bails of hay. I am sure there is some interesting story behind that!

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This was the only in city expressway I saw. I wonder how many beautiful Victorian structures had to be knocked down to build this?

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I then wandered by another medical center so I decided to go an check it out.

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Totally love these emergency vehicle colors.

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I went inside, again there was no apparent security, and took a quick look around. What I saw certainly looked nice. Of course, I didn’t go into direct patient care areas but still it looks as if they are making significant investments in their health care facilities and that they are on a par with what you would see in the U.S.

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Building these massive clocks on the side of buildings walls seems to be a popular thing. I think I saw several of these in each city I visited.

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As it was a Monday the Museum of Leeds was closed. That was too bad as I would have liked to at least have taken a quick look inside. Although it is mainly a natural history type museum it does have a section on Leeds history that I would have loved to have seen. So it is top on my list for the next visit to Leeds.

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The Town Hall from the back:

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Look, they have two lions out front guarding the building, just like the New York Public Library. Someone is copying somebody.

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One thing that gets me is that neither Liverpool, nor Manchester, nor Leeds, nor Sheffield take full advantage of things that could have good tourist potential. All four of those cities have spectacular Town Halls, yet I was never allowed to enter any of them. The excuse in Leeds was that they were having university admissions texts administered in the building. Ok, I understand that. But when I asked the receptionist if they ever allow people to go up the tower and see what must be a great view of Leeds she looked at me as if I were asking when the next flight to Mars was.

Why don’t they take people up the Town Hall tower? I and many others would gladly pay money to be able to to it. I don’t think these cities realize how much tourist potential they have (maybe London has given them an inferiority complex) and therefore don’t think to do things like open up nice view points.

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Next time I visit Leeds I want to be able to go to where the railing is below the clock and also go to the cupola on the very top.

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I finally made it down to the train station and got a train to Saltaire. It was no more than a 10 or 15 minute ride.

Not being oriented when I first got there I just wandered a bit.

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This is the huge mill that the town was built next to and where the workers worked.

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This is a church

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I went into the old mill, which was where the tourist office was where I could get a map. I then checked out a few floors of the mill.

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Bet the bookstore in the city you live in doesn’t have industrial equipment hanging in it.

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And I bet you local artsy shop doesn’t have a ceiling like this. It is really great how old buildings have been converted to such beautiful uses.

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They also had other stores and even restaruants in this building but I didn’t have time to go through them all.

I then went over to the other side of the tracks and starting walking around the residential streets where the worker housing had been built.

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They don’t seem quite as upscale as what I saw in Port Sunlight but they still seemed nice. In fact, they are nice by todays standards. By the standards of their time they had to be very nice.

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Notice the girls name on the street, in the above named Helen. Lord Salt named some of the streets after his daughters.

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Maybe he sneaked one of his sons names in their too?

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As this is England we see imaculate lawns and shrubs.

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Ok, here is a question I’ve been meaning to ask. Notice how in the chimney’s there are pipes. Does each pipe correspond to one fireplace so that if I see three pipes they have three fire places and if they have four pipes they have four fireplaces?

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Nothing is knocked down, it is simply re-used, even old tram sheds. I like it.

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Interesting, even big bay windows in the back of the house.

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One thing that would be nice if they could change it would be putting the power lines underground.

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I then walked to the area that had the common buildings - schools, churches, community halls, and a hospital.

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This must look really nice in the spring when the flowers are in bloom

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Before the NHS there was Sir Titus Salts Hospital

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I think the part on the left is the original hospital from 1858 and the part on the right is the 1902 expansion.

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A community hall

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Across the street was a school which is now part of a university.

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I then went back the mill area:

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The mill of course had a canal running right past it.

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This was a floating bookstore that actually travels around to different towns. I went inside and saw a book on English canals that I would loved to have bought but it was simply to big and heavy to carry on my trip.

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The mill was on both sides of the canal and connected by this walkway.

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I then walked over to the park area that was on the side of the mill opposite the town. It was quite large.

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Obviously they had dammed the waterway here to create a mill race for water power.

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The founder of Saltaire.

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A large and well kept cricket field:

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I then decided to walk up a wooded hill. There was actually a reasonably high treeless hill overlooking Saltaire that I wanted to get to and walk up to take in the view.

There was an old cable car system that still runs during the summer months. Apparently it is more than 100 years old.

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Built in 1895 - yep, it is over 100 years old.

After reaching the top of the cable area I was in a good sized residential area with lots of single family homes.

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I really couldn’t tell whether these are fairly old or almost brand new. Funny, in the US I can look at a suburban home and almost immediately tell what decade it was built in. But in Britain, where everything was different, I didn’t have a clue.

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There homes even had US sized lawns which I imagine is both rare and expensive in England.

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Clearly they didn’t want rabble like me wandering in.

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I think cleared the area with the houses and was faced with a big area of pastures filled with sheep. I wandered along the street looking for a trail up the hill but didn’t see one. However, they had unlocked gates and no “No Trespassing” signs so I decided to be brave, and just walk straight up thru the pastures.

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At first the sheep just tried staring me down.

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That one was hard to take seriously given how rediculous he looked. He definitely needs a make over.

When they saw I was determined to hike through their pastures they just ran away.

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Looking back toward Saltaire.

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Now the sheep seemed to be looking at me funny, even laughing. To my dismay I soon found out why. They had the entire pasture mined with sheep poo and I had already stepped in some of it.

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I wasn’t amused. If I’d had a gun with me some of those sheep would have shot gun pellets in their ass!

Then I thought to myself, if you are going to smell like sheep shit on the train back to Leeds you might as well get to the top of the hill. So I pressed on.

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Saltaire from a slightly higher vantage point.

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See all those black clumps? By now you can probably guess what they are. Funny thing was, the sheep had no problem grazing over all this area. Haven’t they heard the expression you aren’t supposed to eat where you s*#@ ?

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Very nice stone walls that must have been a good amount of work to erect.

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Now I’ve cleared the sheep pastures and there is a foot path going up.

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The summit is within sight!

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In a couple areas the stone fence had fallen down and it was replaced by wire fencing.

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I finally made it to the top. To my dismay I wasn’t alone as there were a number of other people there. There were actually foot paths on the top and it seemed you could walk from hilltop to hilltop on them.

Also, one person on the top told me that you can hike up across any pasture you want as long as you stay to the side and don’t frighten the animals. So my fence jumping hasn’t been so daring after all.

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Sorry for the blurry photo - I had it on max zoom. I believe in the foreground that is Leeds. Note behind it huge cooling towers and smokestacks. I thought those must be nuclear power stations but was later told they were thermal electric plants. I later went right by those towers, I believe, on the train from Sheffield to Durham. At one point on the train I think I could see about 12 massive cooling towers!

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Not sure what this was. Is the 1801 an altitude marker (didn’t seem that high up) or a date?

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A few times you could see the sun poking through the clouds.

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I don’t quite get the “let go if chased by cattle”. I guess they want the dog to be able to live even if you die, trampled to death by cattle?

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This was a big farm house on the hill. I presume they own the pastures and the sheep.

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On the way down I was much more careful about where I stepped.

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An old house back down on the main road. Not sure I would want to live in that one though - looks spooky.

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A rare SUV. You don’t see many SUVs in England. Gas prices are probably too high for them to be practical.

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A nicely colored bird. I think I was told they are some sort of scavenger.

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I then decided to walk along the canal to the next town which was only about a mile away. I had seen it from the train and it looked like it had some mills too.

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A nice rainbow to enjoy as I had a meal.

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I then grabbed a train back into Leeds:

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As there was still an hour or so of sunlight I decided to explore behind the train station, on the other side of the canal. As you come into the train station you can see some nice looking old smokestacks in that area so I thought it might be worth checking out.

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You first go by a modern highrise. Not sure if this is the tallest building in Leeds but I think it might be.

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Finally you get to where some of the older buildings are:

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Hmm, maybe it does pay to be in the EU.

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These are the smokestacks you see from the train. But the area is largely fenced off so you can’t see what buildings are still there.

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I really want to go on one of those cruises my next trip.

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A beautiful tower but I am not sure what it was or what it was attached to. What could be where the windows are? If anyone has information on this tower please share.

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A nice lathe out front. I which I knew more about what was here previously.

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This was a big atrium inside the highrise I showed a little while back.

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With that I was done for the day and made the long walk up hill to the B&B where I was staying. For the first and only time in England I somehow became quite disoriented and lost on the way. Fortunately, the GPS on my cellphone worked and I was eventually able to find my way, but not without having to walk down a bunch of dark and deserted streets. Thank god England has so little crime!

Last edited by 600West218; November 9th, 2011 at 04:57 AM.
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