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Old November 11th, 2011, 12:04 AM   #321
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Excellent tour of the Northern cities. Are you Bill Bryson in disguise?

Sorry if Sheffield doesn't leave a favourable impression with you. The city never had the grand Victorian buildings in the centre which L'pool Manchester and Leeds have always had. The Luftwaffe destroyed much of Sheffield's older central buildings in the 1940's and Sheffield City Council destroyed nearly as much again, in the 60's!
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Old November 11th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #322
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Even more interesting, I think I saw a big expressway with one set of lanes built directly above the lanes going in the opposite directions - sort of like an elevated train. Pretty neat and shows how desperate they are to save space.
That'll probably be the Tinsley viaduct as you come towards Meadowhall Shopping Centre (probably the 'mall' you're on about too). It has the M1 (motorway) on one deck and the local 'A' road on the other.

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Old November 11th, 2011, 02:55 AM   #323
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Yes, that is definitely it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinsley_Viaduct

Too bad about the cooling towers being knocked down.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 06:34 AM   #324
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In Sheffield I stayed in the southern part of the city called Totley. I woke up early and hit the road as I was really looking forward to the museum that I was to see that day - Kelham Island Industrial Museum.

Totley was probably the most upscale area that I had occasion to stay in. It was all very nicely kept single family homes. And I do mean nicely kept - not a piece of chipped paint or a unpruned shrub in sight.

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Sheffield as a whole, and Totley in particular, are very close to the Peak District. I didn’t actually go to the peak district but you could see the beginning of it from Totley.

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When I took the train from Leeds to Sheffield on the outskirts of Leeds I had seen what looked like some sort of communal garden - it was numerous little gardens packed into the area approximately the size of a football field.

I mentioned this to my hosts and they immediately knew what it is. It is a called an “allotment” and it is an area run by the local council where people who don’t have garden space where they reside can get a small plot of land to garden. I am told there are waiting lists to get one of these “allotments”.

As luck would have it there was one within easy walking distance of where I staying and I went to see it:

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You can see that it is divided into separate plots.

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Looking out towards the Peak District

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Grabbed a nice double decker bus and road in the top front seat. This is a view of the main road it Totley.

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As you drive north towards the city center it gets progressively more working class and then low income.

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Arriving in the center:

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There was a big indoor solarium that housed a number of tropical plants:

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An organization to promote the preservation of Victorian era buildings had a display up. They had some really beautiful buildings that sadly they lost to the wrecking ball.

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The steel spheres were very nice and had water running over them as they were actually fountains.

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One thing that is sort of cool is it is impossible to take a picture of a sphere with out being in the picture yourself.

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Now, I never actually went in this building myself and don’t know for certain what it is but I am 99.5% certain it is a parking garage. Note it has no actual windows and it is open to the air - a parking garage is about all I can think of.

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This really exemplifies what I like about British design and architecture. They take a structure that would normally be seen as a wasteful eyesore and turn it in to something that is not only pleasing to look at but is intriguing and makes you want to stare at it and approach it to see what it is.

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Now, given that I’ve already shown lots of pictures of three different cities you should be able to guess what this building is:

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Ok, for those of you who haven’t figured it out yet this is the Sheffield Town Hall. I believe the large two story windows are the council chambers.

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This view is directly opposite the town hall:

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As with the other town halls I did try to go inside. This was in the entrance way:

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Looks like Rick Perry would have a tough time of it hear.

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This is the lobby which is as far as I could go:

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I remember when this ship was sunk:

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Those who lost their lives:

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Walking towards High Street:

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Sadly, it looks like they are preparing to knock these buildings down:

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They are nice buildings - why knock them down?

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If I had more time I would have ridden this to see where it went.

By this time I had enquired at the bus depot how to find the museum and was told that it was actually within walking distance of the center. So much the better. Off I went in the direction they pointed me.

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A nice police car though I prefer the BMW SUVs.

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Based on that name it looks like I am getting close.

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Here we go!

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As you might guess, this museum isn’t about spinning wool or cotton yarn. This is the really fun stuff now.

One thing I have to mention iis I had seen pictures of this Bessemer Converter on their web site and in some guides. But nothing prepares you for how big it is when you see it in person!

There were other activities here besides just making steel:

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Ok, enough of crushing rocks. Back to the important stuff:

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Sometimes when you see a really impressive building or a beautiful mountain you just have to stand there and stare. That is how it was with this Bessemer converter. I just walked around staring at it for a good 15 minutes. I very impressive piece of machinery.

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Sheffield played a very important part in WW1 and WW2 as the placards show. Surprised they didn’t get bombed more than they did. In fact, now that I think of it they never mentioned the steel mills themselves being bombed.

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They even have steel urinals!!

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In the museum itself it was dark and as with the other museums there were many fascinating displays I couldn’t photograph. But I did get pictures of some things, including this large gasoline driven engine.

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The reason this engine is on display in a steel museum is it was used to power bar rolling machinery:

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If you don’t know how a four stroke engine works here you go:

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As I was told before I arrived here, Cutlery was huge in Sheffield. They had plenty of good exhibits on that.

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Note how many blades the pocket knife has!

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This is one of the grinding wheels used to make cutlery.

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Next I went into the room where the museum has its prize posession, the Don River steam engine.

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This was used to power a steel rolling mill. It has three pistons on the same crank shaft and the pistons are like rail road steam pistons - the piston is ALWAYS in a power stroke as the high pressure steam enters on one side of the piston and then the other. Hence, this is a very powerful machine as it always had three pistons providing power at any given time. Also, given it being constantly powered it didn’t need a fly wheel and consequently it could reverse directions VERY quickly - something quite important if you are rolling steel.

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Yet more steel tools and instruments made in Sheffield:

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Note this museum is part of the European Route of Industrial Heritage which has industrial museums all over Europe. Don’t know if I’ll see them all but I want to see as many as I can.

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The ship bell from an old warship named for Sheffield.

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A huge lathe

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Incidently, Sheffield was the location of British steel companies that in the 1980s were caught possibly selling Iraq huge steel tubes for use in building a super gun. There were several books in the museum store on that.

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Some items were on display in their workshop. Note the steam tractor!

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A bar rolling machine. Note how it can roll different shapes and sizes.

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After watching the Don River steam engine run a second time I was done with the museum and headed out to see some other historical sites on Kelham Island and the surrounding area.

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This is the wall of an old furnace that would be about 250 years old:

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You can still see a bit of its conical shape:

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In Sheffield you can find amazing old things even in parking lots!!!

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I saw a painting in the museum which showed an 18th century view of Sheffield where its skyline was made up of scores of these furnaces.

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I decided to spend the rest of my day wandering around Sheffield and that is what I did. Never knew where I was most of them time but still managed to see many interesting things.

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This is all around Sheffield University.

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Note the reflections in the glass above.

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Hah, they still have movable files for paper medical records. Hopefully they’ll move to electronic medical records soon.

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A mini weather station in the park:

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Love that color scheme!!!

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An old church converted into a club:

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It still has the grave markers:

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Note the organ is still in place:

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The Anglican cathederal:

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I was now back on High Street where I caught a bus back to Totley. It had been a busy day with lots of walking but a very good too. Without a doubt Kelham Island is a great museum that everyone should see if they can. It was definitely one of the highlights of my trip and no pictures can do it justice.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 10:32 AM   #325
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Yet more great pics and comments, thanks!

I have an allotment like those, they are very popular, I put my name down on the list for one when we moved to our current house and had to wait about 15 months before one became available.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 12:48 PM   #326
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I have an allotment like those, they are very popular, I put my name down on the list for one when we moved to our current house and had to wait about 15 months before one became available.
Yes I have one too and had to wait 3 years. However the list for my allotments has now been closed as the amount of people waiting would be equivalent to a 30 year wait. Most central London boroughs are the same as it's become so popular recently to grow your own veg.
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My local council has made a couple of new sites recently to keep up with demand, not much space to do that in Central London!
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We tend to call them community gardens in the US. We should call them allotments, too. Somehow, allotment seems a more appropriate term. I love to walk through them. I know of one that has a lottery instead of a waiting list.
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Another great read! I've still not been to Kelham Island museum, but it looks like I'll have to soon. Did you read about the Abbeydale Industrial Hamlet? That is very close to Tottley and has (I think) the only remaining intact steel crucible in the world.

Allotments are a great idea. In fact some architects came up with this idea below for an urban allotment by the side of Sheffield station.


Full article here - http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/...test_1_3484009
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We tend to call them community gardens in the US. We should call them allotments, too. Somehow, allotment seems a more appropriate term. I love to walk through them. I know of one that has a lottery instead of a waiting list.
In Germany they are called Schrebergartens.
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Another great read! I've still not been to Kelham Island museum, but it looks like I'll have to soon. Did you read about the Abbeydale Industrial Hamlet? That is very close to Tottley and has (I think) the only remaining intact steel crucible in the world.

Allotments are a great idea. In fact some architects came up with this idea below for an urban allotment by the side of Sheffield station.


Full article here - http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/...test_1_3484009
Yes, I went by the Abbeydale Industrial Hamlet but it was closed for the season.
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We tend to call them community gardens in the US. We should call them allotments, too. Somehow, allotment seems a more appropriate term. I love to walk through them. I know of one that has a lottery instead of a waiting list.
Interesting, I've never seen nor heard of them in the U.S. Though they do sound more like a Boston thing than a New York thing And in most places here people have plenty of space for a garden on their own land if they are so inclined.

They did have someone here growing corn in the median of Broadway a couple of years back. They eventually found out who it was and had it removed
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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:35 PM   #333
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In Germany they are called Schrebergartens.
In Belgium (Flanders) we call them 'volkstuintjes'. Wich means in Englisch: Gardens for the (working class) people. 'Volk' means people, but was ofthen used to describe the working class in the past. You find them near the bigger cities where lots of people who life in appartments don't have gardens...

They look like this overhere:
This is a new one near Antwerp.

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LOve this thread. great job 600west. Some things remind me of Belgium loooking at these pics, some pictures show things you would never see overhere.
Those houses with the big lawn, they are all over the place in Belgium for instance. They go around 300.000€ probably.Must be much higher in the UK...
if your are interested in how those houses in BE look: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...257&highlight=
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Thanks for linking to that thread. It is interesting how different European countries respond to their space constraints. I look forward to see these things in Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, and France.

Have your toured any of the old industrial sites in the "Woolen" (don't know if I am writing that correctly) part of Belgium?
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Old November 11th, 2011, 04:27 PM   #335
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Thanks for linking to that thread. It is interesting how different European countries respond to their space constraints. I look forward to see these things in Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, and France.

Have your toured any of the old industrial sites in the "Woolen" (don't know if I am writing that correctly) part of Belgium?
Did you mean Wallonia? I've been in some area's yes but things like you showed us you will never see in Belgium. Some Flemisch cities have indsutrial buildings that have been saved, mainly along innercity channels, looking a lot like some of your pics. In Wallonia, the old industry stayed operating for a long time. Afther that the buildings now just lay empty en are crumbling and in very bad shape. The old mines in Wallonia are almost all demolished and the steel mills stayed operating for a long time so they where modernised untill the 50ties or so and are no longer authenthic. Now they are just ruins of steel.

Here is a thread about Charlerloi. This city was mainly a steel producing city but has seen better days. It's strugling to keep up and all the mills are now abandoned, it has ,for Belgian standards, a high unemployment and poverty rate and is the poorest city in the whole of Belgium. You can also see signs of decay in the city center.http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...ight=charleroi
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Yes, that is the region I meant. Thanks for the link to that city - it looks interesting though you are correct it has less character than the English cities I saw.

Still, even Sheffield, which had far less Victorian architecture than the other cities, was still very much worth visiting and Belgium does have museums worth visiting:

http://www.erih.net/regional-routes/...aas-rhine.html
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You know that church thats now a club with the organ? Wasn't there are murder related to that place, a Polish lady I think, I am under the impression that there was at least a murder connected to that place, it looks like the place that was on the news, I'm probably wrong though. This was a while ago now
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Its the Walkabout on Carver St, unsure about any murders...

Its pretty popular, on Sheffields main 'strip' (West St)
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Another great day! Sheffield looks so neat. I'm very fond of big machinery.

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Off topic but I seem to remember there is also an ex-church (nice, ornate one) turned into a pub in Nottingham.....
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