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Old November 12th, 2011, 08:32 PM   #361
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The North of England never looked so good, so much better than the South.

Most importantly, the people are better. South = Tory voter.
Thats not true, in my History class we pass out time defacing pictures of Maggie on our book covers, and my native constituency is Labour, although most people in the South are tories.

Again, amazing photos, York looks incredibly beautiful, I must go up North some time
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Old November 13th, 2011, 01:16 AM   #362
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Being a tory is not a particularly north/south thing. You get big Labour areas in all the cities (London included) in the working class areas. It's the countryside that has all the Tories.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 01:27 AM   #363
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It was impressive to me that Sheffield had nothing but Labour and Liberal Democrats as councilers. I guess that is the city proper.

I assume areas on the outskirts of cities might often have more conservative representatives.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 02:18 AM   #364
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It was impressive to me that Sheffield had nothing but Labour and Liberal Democrats as councilers. I guess that is the city proper.

I assume areas on the outskirts of cities might often have more conservative representatives.
The Conservative Party doesn't do too well in cities, especially northern cities.

Liverpool City Council
Labour Party: 62
Liberal Democrats: 22
Liberal Party: 3
Greens: 2
Independent: 1

All left-wing/centrists (in the European sense... in the American sense they'd all be considered commies ).

Up until last year, Liverpool was a Liberal Democrat strong hold. As you may know, the Liberal Democrats are governing nationally in a coalition with the Conservative Party. This has meant formerly strong Liberal cities like Liverpool, Sheffield and Newcastle have shifted towards Labour.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 02:19 AM   #365
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There is definitely a North South divide in politics, whereby much of the North votes Labour and much of the South votes conservative. However, according to Wikipedia;

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However, many middle-class and affluent areas are located near Manchester, Leeds and Edinburgh, who may vote Tory
... Meaning they're evidently areas of said cities who vote Conservative.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 02:24 AM   #366
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There is definitely a North South divide in politics, whereby much of the North votes Labour and much of the South votes conservative. However, according to Wikipedia;



... Meaning they're evidently areas of said cities who vote Conservative.
It's interesting that while the wealthy parts of Wirral and Sefton tend to elect Conservatives, the equally wealthy parts of Liverpool City are LD strongholds.

And I'd imagine a lot of Scottish Conservatives have defected to the SNP
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Old November 13th, 2011, 05:31 AM   #367
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Now it was Friday and it was off to Durham, which I had been told had a nice Norman cathederal and castle.

9 am in the York train station:

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Arriving in Durham:

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Both the castle and the cathederal are on a hill above both the town and a river. Also note that Durham is almost entirely a university town. I have heard that Durham is considered by some to be the best university in England after Cambridge and Oxford.

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In the center of town:

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The town center. The town was nice - very lively without the crowds of tourists that York has:

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The cathederal:

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In a bad break, the castle was closed due to renovations that were going on there. Most unfortunate, as that would have been the only castle I would have entered on this trip. But there will be other trips and other castles.

Back to the cathederal.

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I didn’t realize that you weren’t supposed to take any pictures inside the cathederal and so I took a few before I saw the sign:

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In Durham’s cathederal the girth of the columns was much bigger than in other cathederals that I had seen:

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Even Durham has row houses:

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The train viaduct:

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I only spent about 3 hours in Durham. I didn’t think there was much more to see there and so there was no point to hang around. As the following day would be my last full day in England I wanted to get back closer to Manchester as I had things I wanted to see there on Saturday.

So I decided to head to Leeds. And given that it was a Friday it would be nice being close to Greek Street.

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It was weird that seemed to be recently tilled. What could they possibly grow so late in the season?

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BTW, between Durham and Darlington I was riding with a young couple from Scotland. They looked to be in their early twenties and had a baby. Conversing with them was difficult. Their accents were so strong that I would have to ask them to repeat themselves 2 or 3 times before I could understand what they were saying. Some things I never did understand. Doesn’t bode well for any future trips to Scotland.

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Finally I arrived back in Leeds and set about looking for a hotel. No way did I want to go to the old hotel as it was too far away. I finally found one called “Budget Inn” and it was about 50 pounds and quite nice. If was a far better deal than my original hotel in Leeds, yet it was never mentioned by the Lonely Planet guide book I was using. In the future I think I will stop using Lonely Planet and instead just use wiki travel or something.

Anyways, I did get to snap some pictures of things in Leeds I hadn’t previously seen before it got dark.

I liked these reflections:

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Thanks to readers now I know this will be some retail complex:

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Amazing, this is the second really valuable historic area in England I’ve seen saved by the gay community. The other was Gay Village in Manchester:

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The reflections one more time:

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After all this I hung out on Greek Street until 2 am when everything mercifully shut down. It is just as well given that I had to get up early if I was going to see what I wanted in Manchester the following day.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 09:05 AM   #368
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Engrossing as ever. I feel sorry your photo-narrative is coming to a close because I have looked forward to each installment.

Leeds is looking great here.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 01:22 PM   #369
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Great photos as always! Your comment on the Scottish accent is quite funny, I guess it would seem strong for an American. I'm not too sure how well I'd do understanding people in the countryside of the Deep South in the US either
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Old November 13th, 2011, 02:52 PM   #370
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No Newcastle? Wasn't it also a very important industrial centre during the 19th century ( coalmining, shipping, shipbuilding...)? Oh, well, the thread is superb already so I'll forgive you
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Old November 13th, 2011, 04:07 PM   #371
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Wow, that was three hours of my Sunday burned up right there!

Thanks for your amazing thread, Dan. You clearly have a great passion for industrial heritage (and CCTV, hospitals, lawns and emergency vehicles!). If you come to the UK again, I'll have to get you on the Breconshire & Monmouthshire canal over in Wales for a relaxing weekend - I'll let you do all the locks!
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Old November 13th, 2011, 09:02 PM   #372
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Great photos as always! Your comment on the Scottish accent is quite funny, I guess it would seem strong for an American. I'm not too sure how well I'd do understanding people in the countryside of the Deep South in the US either
This whole accent thing has me puzzled. I can't fathom how there are so many different accents and how they all survive given the extent to which people move around and watch TV.

Last night I was watching a British TV documentary (on the internet) on how Rolls Royce jet engines are made (now Derby is on my must visit list). A number of the engineers and managers had quite strong accents that I could understand, but I had to really concentrate in order to understand them.

I have to learn more about this.
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Engrossing as ever. I feel sorry your photo-narrative is coming to a close because I have looked forward to each installment.

Leeds is looking great here.
There is still a bit more to go.

Also, now I am hooked on England (and if England is any indication, Europe in general) so unless I come to an untimely end this won't be the last trip report of mine people will have to endure
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No Newcastle? Wasn't it also a very important industrial centre during the 19th century ( coalmining, shipping, shipbuilding...)? Oh, well, the thread is superb already so I'll forgive you
I think Newcastle will be part of a Scotland, Hadrians wall, and the true north of England trip. I wouldn't have had time to do it justice on this trip so its best I didn't try. As you can see, I didn't do justice to Sheffield or York either. One thing about this trip is I learned how much I can realistically do in a two week trip - and the answer is a lot, but not as much as I might like, and certainly not as much as there are things to do in England.
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Wow, that was three hours of my Sunday burned up right there!

Thanks for your amazing thread, Dan. You clearly have a great passion for industrial heritage (and CCTV, hospitals, lawns and emergency vehicles!). If you come to the UK again, I'll have to get you on the Breconshire & Monmouthshire canal over in Wales for a relaxing weekend - I'll let you do all the locks!
Thanks so much for the offer. Be warned, I will be back in 2012 and I will take you up on such an offer, just as I took Paul up on his generous offer.

And I'll gladly do all the locks - that is a huge part of the experience.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 09:12 PM   #376
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I'm back up to Newcastle in a couple of weeks - and will be updating my thread: Newcastle: the jewel in the north.


I've really enjoyed your foreigner's perspective on life in England.
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It was weird that seemed to be recently tilled. What could they possibly grow so late in the season?
In northern Europe (not just the UK) some crops, especially wheat and barley, are often sown in Autumn, usually september, so they get to germinate and get to a few inches in height before winter. When it gets too cold and dark, they will just stop growing but in spring will then have a lead on spring crops.

The advantage is that they will have a longer growing season and still ripen a few weeks earlier, which results in both higher yields and a longer harvest season - which can be important in rainy Europe.
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In northern Europe (not just the UK) some crops, especially wheat and barley, are often sown in Autumn, usually september, so they get to germinate and get to a few inches in height before winter. When it gets too cold and dark, they will just stop growing but in spring will then have a lead on spring crops.

The advantage is that they will have a longer growing season and still ripen a few weeks earlier, which results in both higher yields and a longer harvest season - which can be important in rainy Europe.
Very interesting. I never knew that could even be done. I'd have thought they'd die over the winter.

Thanks for the explanations.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 11:43 PM   #379
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gras stays green in wintertime

What also is done overhere across the channel:

They sow in a certain type of grass that keeps the upper layers of the soil solid so they don't wash away in our rainy winters. They also sow in grasses that form a lot of nitrogen and then in spring plow them in between the soil as a natural fertilizer.
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I've also been eagerly awaiting each of your posts..... I feel like a thief for not not posting a reply until now!

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I think Newcastle will be part of a Scotland, Hadrians wall, and the true north of England trip. I wouldn't have had time to do it justice on this trip so its best I didn't try. As you can see, I didn't do justice to Sheffield or York either. One thing about this trip is I learned how much I can realistically do in a two week trip - and the answer is a lot, but not as much as I might like, and certainly not as much as there are things to do in England.
Yes lots to be seen in Newcastle and surrounding areas for the industrial heritage enthusiast (coal mining & ship building), be sure to check out the Beamish open air museum in county Durham and the windswept Northumberland coast in addition to Hadrians wall.

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What also is done overhere across the channel:

They sow in a certain type of grass that keeps the upper layers of the soil solid so they don't wash away in our rainy winters. They also sow in grasses that form a lot of nitrogen and then in spring plow them in between the soil as a natural fertilizer.
Over here in Ontario come March / April you get desperate to see some green! everything turns brown over the wintertime.
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