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Old November 2nd, 2011, 08:25 PM   #81
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Fantastic photos! Can't wait for more
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 11:59 PM   #82
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Notice the grills on the bottom of the Nelson Memorial at the back of the Town Hall there,that's actually a ventilation shaft,I'm not sure what for though?
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 01:50 AM   #83
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Excellent report so far! Liverpool is a terrific city! Keep them coming.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 02:16 AM   #84
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I think what ive enjoyed most, other than the great pictures, is seeing the UK through your eyes, and what is mundane and boring to us is new and different to you.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 05:13 AM   #85
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Notice the grills on the bottom of the Nelson Memorial at the back of the Town Hall there,that's actually a ventilation shaft,I'm not sure what for though?
Great observation. I am going to make a guess where they go - maybe to the underground command bunker that is now the Liverpool War museum? It really could be possible. Maybe if you stop by the museum someone there will know. But they built that bunker under a big existing office building and they almost certainly had to build ventilation shafts but also build them so they weren't obvious.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 07:04 AM   #86
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Wednesday was a day that when I planned my trip I just put down as a day to travel from Liverpool to Manchester. And not realizing how long a trip is between those two cities the safest thing was to not plan anything else. So I didn’t.

But when I first arrived and took the train from Manchester’s airport to Liverpool I realized - wow, that was only 45 minutes. Hence, I knew on Wednesday that I didn’t have to rush. And that was good as there were two things I didn’t want to leave Liverpool without doing.

One was to go to the Metropolitan Cathederal and possibly go up its tower. The other was to go back to the Anglican Cathederal, which I wanted to spend more time just taking in, and also go back to the cemetary at its side to see the tomb of the first person killed by a train which I didn’t know about when I first visited.

So I went back to the town center and wandered around a bit more - first by St. George’s Hall:

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The monuments, sadly, never end. There are even fairly new ones:

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And no, the crane is not lifting part of the statue. A interesting, but unintentional photographic effect.

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I wish I could describe these photos more but the sad reality is I can’t remember what was what. Such are the riches of Liverpool and its buildings and monunents that it is just impossible to keep track of it all. I think some of this was a library - but if anyone wants to jump in and point out what some of these are please go right ahead.

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This picture shows part of why I was so unconcerned about getting a train to Manchester. If you look at this board you can see there are trains leaving for various locations every few minutes. And from Liverpool, a good number of them will go to or through Manchester. On the very right on side of the schedule board you can maybe see two columns of lists. Those are lists of trains departing over maybe the next half hour but that are still to far off to be on the main board which gives more details as to intermediate stops. In short, in a one hour time span there are probably 25 or 30 intercity trains departing this station.

All this is to say that if you are planning a trip to England and you are worrying about how you will get around (like I was) and wondering and if maybe you should rent a car or schedule everything out in great detail in advance my advice would be don’t. The trains go every where, all the time. That is hard for anyone to fathom about a train system, but it is true. Just show up to a train station and within thirty minutes, probably much less, you will be on a train going where ever you want to go. The only proviso to this is if you are on a tight budget you may wish to purchase tickets in advance because they cost less. But if you don’t mind paying a bit more (and I always found the prices very reasonable) just show up at the last minute and go.

Next I started heading up to the Metropolitan Cathederal.

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On the way to the Cathederal you pass a bunch of university buildings and even a research center.

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The Cathederal

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As you can see it is a very modern building, futuristic even. Interestingly, I couldn’t do much there because the BBC had taken over the entire sanctuary and was filming some British television show. I saw them do several takes of one seen with a man sitting in a pew reading a book, then looking over his shoulder at a woman sitting behind him, and finally getting up by himself and walking out. If anyone in England sees that scene, I saw it being filmed !!

I then headed over to the Aglican Cathederal which is actually rather close as you can see from this picture:

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An interesting burned out building. Not sure what that was damaged by - bombing in the Blitz maybe?

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Then I wandered onto a big university and so I walked around the campus a bit. It seemed very nice:

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In the US any sort of social program is generally portrayed in a negative light - and it the general impression given of European universities and health care facilities is that they are run down and not very good. Yet from what I saw on this trip they seemed every bit as good, and many times better, than what you would see in the U.S. This is why travel is important - so you can see things for yourself rather than just getting impressions from the media or others who may have an agenda. There is just no substitute for seeing things for yourself.

Finally, I made it to the Anglican Cathederal and went inside. What an awe inspiring building.

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In one of the memorials on the side they had this - which was nice to read given that I was starting to get a little down on being an American:

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Back outside:

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Then walking down into the cementery I found the tomb of William Husskinson who was a MP from Liverpool and is widely said to be the first person run over and killed by a train.

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Walking up the path on the way out of the museum some of the head stones caught my attention and I stopped to read them. If you take a minute and read these it will probably give you a new perspective on whatever problems you have in your own life:

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With that, I walked back to the Lime Street Station and, within a few minutes, got a train to Manchester. The train ride to Manchester is really quick and I didn’t have the chance to take pictures of the countryside. But not to worry, on other train rides I got plenty of pictues.

And here is Piccadilly Station in Manchester. Just from the train station I could tell Manchester was bigger than Liverpool

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I stopped at the information booth to get a map and then went out to start exploring, really having no idea where I was going.

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The pictures are just what I saw walking out the front door and walking down the big street I was on.

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I was gradually walking down Piccadilly London Road (occassionally going onto a side street) for those who know the area.

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This is called Piccaddilly Gardens

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Like Liverpool, the streets were crowded with people and bustling with activity.

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Instead of a train system like Liverpool Manchester has a tram. Great. Now beside just looking out for cars driving on the left hand side out of the street I have to look out for trams too!

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For the size city it is you would think they would have a full scale subway rather than a tram. Though I did use it once and it was nice.

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At this point I had probably spent 45 minutes walking which was enough to form an initial impression of Manchester, and it wasn’t a favourable one.

I’m not sure if you can notice it from the pictures but where as Liverpool had seemed to have lots of graceful old building and newer buildings that fit in with the older stuff Manchester didn’t. It seemed to be a complete hodgepodge of buildings thrown together in an incongruent way. Some buildings were nice and interesting - but a fair number were down right ugly and soulless buildings probably built in the 40s or 50s. Nothing seemed to go together - it was just a huge jumble of all different types of structures shoved together - a bit like Manhattan if you will but without the awe inspiring size and dynamism that allows Manhattan to work. At this point I was sort of missing Liverpool. [for Manchester fans don’t worry, my first impression would later be radically changed].

Well, at least this store was interesting with all its sowing machines:

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A bit further along I saw what looked like a shopping mall. Not liking what I was seeing outdoors I decided I might as well go inside.

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It wasn’t just a shopping mall. It was a huge shopping mall. With lots of people shopping at decidedly upscale and expensive stores. Clearly at least part of British society isn’t doing to badly.

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But you don’t fly across the Atlantic to see shopping malls. Plenty of those here. So back outdoors I went... only to bump into this:

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Thinking I had nothing to lose I decided to ride it to get a better view of Manchester and orient myself. Sadly, it was raining too much to see well, and the the tacky narration by some rock radio hosts did nothing to orient me to Manchester or endear me to it.

I did though see the Manchester Cathederal was close so I decided to hear over to it.

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Hmm, just realized the office tower has the same name as the mall. Not sure what the significance of that is.

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Next I wandered into an interesting looking arcade like building that turned out to be the old corn exchange:

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Some supposedly VERY old pubs that would often get quite crowded. A very popular watering hole apparently.

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Again, you see some really appealing stuff... and then some not very appealing stuff:

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Finally, the Cathederal, which is much older than the one in Liverpool. Very, very old in fact.

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It is also much smaller than the one in Liverpool.

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It didn’t have the imposing size of Liverpool, but it did have tremendous character that showed how old it was.

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An amazing room dedicated to Britian’s military men and women. It has the colors struck from different military units - some of them obviously quite old.

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Not sure if these are people who simply served, or if they are people who died.

Well, in this case the answer is obvious:

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Too many wars:

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Very interestingly this church has ties to a church in my home town of New York City

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Leaving the church I looked to head down Deansgate Road. I knew that there was a nice old library down this street and that it lead to the Castle Field area where the industrial revolution was said to have begun.

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Quite an impressive old building. Turns out, this was the library.

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I don’t have more time to write now so I will have to finish my first day in Manchester tomorrow. But stay tuned - despite my initial unfavourable reaction to Manchester things will start to get very interesting!!
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 09:10 AM   #87
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Very much enjoying your thread. I love industrial architecture (Milwaulkee excels in this, as do some of America's neglected rust belt cities, from what I have seen).

When I grew up in the 1970's and 80's, Northern English cities were very looked down upon. Your thread (and others' on this forum) show the potential they have, despite the fact that they were left to rot for so long.

I love the urban grit of Manchester--not to everyone's taste, but it is to mine.

I have completely changed my view of Liverpool's Anglican cathedral. I used to find it rather chunky and too retro in design--but the inside especially is inspiring. I look forward to visiting it one day.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 01:00 PM   #88
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So upsetting that your first view of Manchester was depressing, I guess the weather didn't help! Looking forward to more
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Liverpool definitely looks more pleasant to the eye but I believe Manchester takes the lead as a city and I definitely prefer Manchester's modern buildings.

Anyway, very helpful comments, keep up the good work!
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 01:44 PM   #90
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First impressions based on train arrivals are often not good. When I first visited Manchester by train, I wondered what all of the fuss was about.

Likewise, Lime Street, immediately outside of Lime street station in Liverpool - is perhaps the worst street in the city centre - in terms of decay & degeneration.

So, it is necessary to wander at length, and to get off the tourist trail - anywhere you go.

I cannot agree that Manchester is a better city, though - in any way. Perhaps you mean that it has had a lot more investment for a lot longer?


It must be very interesting for foreign visitors - especially from large countries, to see the variety and the close proximity of British towns and cities.

Considering that close proximity - few people in Britain have actually ever visited many of their own cities - other than London.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 01:56 PM   #91
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I cannot agree that Manchester is a better city, though - in any way. Perhaps you mean that it has had a lot more investment for a lot longer?
Is this directed at me? In no way did I mean Manchester is a better city, I find Liverpool much more charismatic but yes Manchester has received a lot more investment and that shows.
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Note it is flying the Union Jack, rather than the English flag. It seems completely arbitrary which building flies which flag. I wonder who decides - the janitor? If you didn’t know better you could think the country was on the verge of the civil war.


The United Kingdom is 4 countries don't forget... we are linked in union but have our own cultures etc... unlike the US which forged its states together and made it mandatory to fly only one flag for all of them at a National level.. in the UK it is not uncommon for either the Union flag to fly from a building or that countries flag...

All government buildings however across the UK are usually showing the Union Flag... be it in England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.... however local buildings can pick and choose, depending on whether it is a national event .. or a local one... or if they just feel like it.

I think it is important that people and local councils are allowed to fly their own flags or the nations flag... it encourages the key cultural differences inside the United Kingdom to remain intact and alive.
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Is this directed at me? In no way did I mean Manchester is a better city, I find Liverpool much more charismatic but yes Manchester has received a lot more investment and that shows.
Should have used these to make it clear I was referencing your point.
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"The United Kingdom is 4 countries don't forget"

I guess I understand that it is four different peoples all with their own histories have they always been considered different countries legally? For example, isn't their having their own parliments rather new?

Seeing people there think of themselves as "English", or "Scottich", or "Welch" rather than British was definitely an eye opener for me.
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"Considering that close proximity - few people in Britain have actually ever visited many of their own cities - other than London. "

Yes, that is really stunning, especially considering how goof and convenient their rail network is. You could actually make a day trip out of traveling to most cities if you wanted to - certainly a very nice weekend trip. If I lived there I'd be pissing away a fortune on train tickets :-)
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Thanks again for those photos! I agree that alot of cities don't have very grand or good first impressions when you get off the train, the only one which struck me when traveling around was Newcastle I think. And yes Manchester is quite a mismatch of styles...the war and the 50-70s were not great for the city or indeed many cities in the uk, as many old buildings were torn down. But it has meant that newer builds have been able to be built in future/adds to the mix of building styles. If you wanted to see the uniform Victorian mixed with the older builds which used to exist in Manchester, you can check it out in the council online photo archives.
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Great Pictures.

Have to say though. You came over to look at Industrial Britain and you didn't visit Birmingham? The main player in it and the city that carried it through all the way to the end.

As an American I thought it would've been high on your list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_S..._of_Birmingham

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Old November 3rd, 2011, 02:59 PM   #98
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Liverpool and Manchester are both fantastic cities in their own right and in some cases a similar way and in some cases a very different way.
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Great Pictures.

Have to say though. You came over to look at Industrial Britain and you didn't visit Birmingham? The main player in it and the city that carried it through all the way to the end.

As an American I thought it would've been high on your list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_S..._of_Birmingham

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Tons of towns could be added to this trip but time is limited.

Derby, for example, screams Industrial Revolution.
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Great photos!

Many many places in Europe have loads of 1950s and 60s buildings in the town centres for a fairly obvious reason I think, and major cities in the UK are no exception
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