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Old May 7th, 2006, 09:33 PM   #181
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so they are using those rust-buckets now??
Yes, these "rust-buckets" are in revenue service too


These H4's from the 70's are still used on the Bloor Danforth line during rush hour

The H5's, also from the 70's, see regular revenue service on the YUS line
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Old May 8th, 2006, 08:35 AM   #182
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Yes, these "rust-buckets" are in revenue service too


These H4's from the 70's are still used on the Bloor Danforth line during rush hour

The H5's, also from the 70's, see regular revenue service on the YUS line
I havent seen a train with the old bench seats in years. Sure, they are using the trains from the 1970s...mostly H5s...but havent they been refitted with new seating?

TTC is looking at making a serious switch with the new subway design, which you can see on transit-toronto or the Spacing webpage.

Of course, not everyone agrees with the new designs, to the extent of describing them as cattle cars. There's also some betting going on as to who gets the contract...Bombardier or Alstom or Siemens.

Interesting note, when I was in HK I noticed that the Tung Chung line train uses an ADTranz design, which is unlike the other MTR lines...

IIRC, Bombardier now controls the assets of ADTranz...If so, would they offer this ADTranz design for the future Toronto cars?

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Old May 8th, 2006, 03:16 PM   #183
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Nice but still many to learn from Asian subways
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Old May 9th, 2006, 04:12 AM   #184
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I havent seen a train with the old bench seats in years. Sure, they are using the trains from the 1970s...mostly H5s...but havent they been refitted with new seating?

TTC is looking at making a serious switch with the new subway design, which you can see on transit-toronto or the Spacing webpage.

Of course, not everyone agrees with the new designs, to the extent of describing them as cattle cars. There's also some betting going on as to who gets the contract...Bombardier or Alstom or Siemens.

Interesting note, when I was in HK I noticed that the Tung Chung line train uses an ADTranz design, which is unlike the other MTR lines...

IIRC, Bombardier now controls the assets of ADTranz...If so, would they offer this ADTranz design for the future Toronto cars?

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I wonder whether or not the TTC choice on the new subway manufacterer will be affected by their choice for the new street cars......btw, they picked Siemens
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Old May 9th, 2006, 05:04 AM   #185
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Very nice.

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Old May 9th, 2006, 05:08 AM   #186
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Very nice.


What station is this btw?

It's Downsview Station. There will likely be a north subway extension from Downsview in a few years time.

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Old May 9th, 2006, 08:01 AM   #187
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I wonder whether or not the TTC choice on the new subway manufacterer will be affected by their choice for the new street cars......btw, they picked Siemens
Picked Siemens? For the Streetcars?

When? I know Ottawa has declared Siemens as their #1 choice for the O-LRT, but I didnt hear about Toronto.

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Old May 9th, 2006, 07:07 PM   #188
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All of the Calgary and Edmonton LRT cars are from Siemens.
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Old May 10th, 2006, 07:40 AM   #189
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Toronto has some of the highest per capita public transit ridership numbers in the world. TTC passengers pay over 80% of the system's operating budget each year, the highest in the world. The TTC is efficient, safe, affordable and clean but must be funded better by the provincial and fedreal gov'ts.

Glad to hear the Subway is being expanded in the 905 region past York University.
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Old May 10th, 2006, 07:45 AM   #190
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TTC passengers pay over 80% of the system's operating budget each year, the highest in the world
Thats extremely high, but in no way the highest.
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Old May 10th, 2006, 07:53 AM   #191
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There is a guy on youtube.com (wyliepoon) who has a whole slew of video clips of TTC subways & streetcars.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=wyliepoon
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"Thats extremely high, but in no way the highest."


Well, in North America, it is by far the highest. It's pretty high by European standards as well. But measuring this thing gets more iffy, as the TTC has a complete public transit monopoly in Toronto....some cities in europe/asia have a private/public situation that makes comparisons difficult.

But high cost-efficiencies are good and bad. It's nice to be cost-efficient, and the TTC does a very good job of delivering a pretty good, comprehensice public transit system which requires little subsidization from taxes.

But then again, why should users pay for almost all of it, when road users pay no up-front fees? Roads encourage more car use, which is expensive to maintain and not good for the environment. There is not enough insentive for public transit...all levels of government should support public transit....not just the municipality it is in.






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Old May 10th, 2006, 05:52 PM   #193
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I can think of no better use for taxpayers money than investing in public transport.
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Old May 10th, 2006, 11:32 PM   #194
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Old May 11th, 2006, 01:01 AM   #195
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Picked Siemens? For the Streetcars?

When? I know Ottawa has declared Siemens as their #1 choice for the O-LRT, but I didnt hear about Toronto.

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Expo bid drives TTC to buy 96 streetcars
100 others to be refurbished
Service expansion in anticipation of winning bid for 2015 World's Fair
Susan Kirwin
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20 April 2006

The Toronto Transit Commission yesterday agreed to buy 96 new, low-riding streetcars and refurbish dozens more of its existing stock, which will be coupled together on busy routes, as it prepares for a crush of possible visitors if the city succeeds in its bid for Expo 2015.

The commission agreed to buy 96 streetcars from Siemens Transportation Systems of Germany. Another 100 of the TTC's existing streetcars will be refurbished, including about 75 that will be coupled at a cost of $100,000 each, in a bid to help stop them from bunching up during rush hour.

Transit advocates are not happy with the refurbishing and coupling plan, preferring that all-new streetcars be bought.

"It seems like a foolish expenditure for a short period of time," said Steve Munro of the transit advocacy group the Rocket Riders.

King Street has been discussed as a possible site for the new two-car streetcars.

Mr. Munro said the coupled cars would not fit at either Spadina or Union Station: "It's a nice idea, but it doesn't physically fit."

Activists criticized the TTC for investing more money in its 30-year-old fleet, which will be extended by 10 years.

"This is a waste of time," said Rocket Rider Steve Fisher.

"The TTC is throwing money here and there; we need to buy them off the shelf."

But the TTC officials said it is the only option they have.

Robert Boutilier, the commission's deputy general manager, said the streetcars are needed to maintain service until the new cars come in.

TTC engineers need to design new cars that will be compatible with Toronto's rail system.

Tracks have been upgraded and will be good for another 25 years, Mr. Boutilier said.

"It's not just a case of taking a car from the factory and putting it on the rails," said Mr. Boutilier, citing derailments in other cities that have bought streetcars off the shelf.

"Suppliers gloss over these issues. That's why we are being very careful from an engineering perspective."

The project is expected to take a minimum of 10 years.

"The need to refurbish is inescapable," said Mitch Stambler, the TTC's manager of service planning. "No matter how much we want to buy new cars, we have to rebuild."

Mr. Stambler said Toronto's bid for the 2015 World Expo makes it necessary to ensure the city has streetcar capacity.

"We might have to move 20,000 people per hour in both directions," Mr. Stambler said. "If we have to move that kind of volume, we would have to have coupling."

The new streetcars will have a "low-floor" style and will be fully accessible. All streetcars must be fully accessible by 2024 as a part of the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act.

The transit commission is also being criticized for being slow on accessibility. The refurbished cars will not be accessible.

"They are still behind with the times and they are still being closed-minded," Mr. Fisher said.

"They should have been discussing this 10 years ago."
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Old May 20th, 2006, 10:03 AM   #196
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From the Toronto Rocket Riders

This is an open invitation to all those interested in working on the
proposed transportation forum. A forum which will showcase a variety
of different transportation plans for public and media scrutiny.
Expected time Sep/Oct 2006.

Planning meeting:

Tuesday, May 23rd at 6:00pm
Nova Era Bakery 980 Bloor St. West (northwest corner of Dovercourt &
Bloor)
directions by subway: get off at Ossington station on the Bloor line.
Exit via the western exit, walk south to Bloor, then west on Bloor to
Dovercourt.

At this meeting we will be examining the speakers/groups to be
invited, venue planning, sponsors and plans for publicity. Bring your
ideas.

For more details/questions call Roger Brook or
[email protected]


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Old May 20th, 2006, 10:52 AM   #197
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Expo bid drives TTC to buy 96 streetcars
100 others to be refurbished
Service expansion in anticipation of winning bid for 2015 World's Fair
Susan Kirwin
National Post
20 April 2006

The Toronto Transit Commission yesterday agreed to buy 96 new, low-riding streetcars and refurbish dozens more of its existing stock, which will be coupled together on busy routes, as it prepares for a crush of possible visitors if the city succeeds in its bid for Expo 2015.

The commission agreed to buy 96 streetcars from Siemens Transportation Systems of Germany. Another 100 of the TTC's existing streetcars will be refurbished, including about 75 that will be coupled at a cost of $100,000 each, in a bid to help stop them from bunching up during rush hour.

Transit advocates are not happy with the refurbishing and coupling plan, preferring that all-new streetcars be bought.

"It seems like a foolish expenditure for a short period of time," said Steve Munro of the transit advocacy group the Rocket Riders.

King Street has been discussed as a possible site for the new two-car streetcars.

Mr. Munro said the coupled cars would not fit at either Spadina or Union Station: "It's a nice idea, but it doesn't physically fit."

Activists criticized the TTC for investing more money in its 30-year-old fleet, which will be extended by 10 years.

"This is a waste of time," said Rocket Rider Steve Fisher.

"The TTC is throwing money here and there; we need to buy them off the shelf."

But the TTC officials said it is the only option they have.

Robert Boutilier, the commission's deputy general manager, said the streetcars are needed to maintain service until the new cars come in.

TTC engineers need to design new cars that will be compatible with Toronto's rail system.

Tracks have been upgraded and will be good for another 25 years, Mr. Boutilier said.

"It's not just a case of taking a car from the factory and putting it on the rails," said Mr. Boutilier, citing derailments in other cities that have bought streetcars off the shelf.

"Suppliers gloss over these issues. That's why we are being very careful from an engineering perspective."

The project is expected to take a minimum of 10 years.

"The need to refurbish is inescapable," said Mitch Stambler, the TTC's manager of service planning. "No matter how much we want to buy new cars, we have to rebuild."

Mr. Stambler said Toronto's bid for the 2015 World Expo makes it necessary to ensure the city has streetcar capacity.

"We might have to move 20,000 people per hour in both directions," Mr. Stambler said. "If we have to move that kind of volume, we would have to have coupling."

The new streetcars will have a "low-floor" style and will be fully accessible. All streetcars must be fully accessible by 2024 as a part of the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act.

The transit commission is also being criticized for being slow on accessibility. The refurbished cars will not be accessible.

"They are still behind with the times and they are still being closed-minded," Mr. Fisher said.

"They should have been discussing this 10 years ago."
The Streetcars will physically fit in Spadina and Union, you just have to combine loading and unloading instead of keeping them segregated. It is not wise, I agree, but it is physically possible. People will not be unloading in tunnels as a result of coupling, furthermore, platform extensions are also possible, and I am reasonably confident that is possible at both Spadina and Union. Not cheap, not claiming it would be, but it probably not overly complicated.

The TTC should look at Gothenburg, they have successfully done a transition from old streetcars that are very much like Toronto's old PCCs (except they are sky-blue instead), to fully accessible double-articulated models. Gothenburg's LRT reaches quite far and provides great coverage, as the geography doesn't allow for subways.
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Old May 27th, 2006, 08:12 PM   #198
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:: Region of Waterloo :: LRT :: Ontario, Canada

The Region of Waterloo is like one large city- three cities and several small towns grown together seemlessly. The Region of Waterloo is one of Canada's high-technology centres, one of the World's Top 7 Intelligent Communities, and always fast-growing.

Phase 2 of Public Consultation for the Region's LRT initiative has begun, and public response is very positive. In the near future, Waterloo, Ontario could join the cities of Calgary, Edmonton, and Ottawa as a city using light rail service for transport around the city.

There is a great website up @ http://transitea.region.waterloo.on.ca/


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There is a rumour circulating that the Toronto Transit Commission is in negotiations to donate a large number of their old TTC Streetcars to Havana, Cuba. Anyone have more info?
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this bus was made in 82......the picture was taken in 87.......it already looks outdated even after 5 years

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i love these buses.....it makes my day if i catch this bus instead of the one on top......im sure 90% of torontonians feel the same lol
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