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Old November 29th, 2016, 04:47 AM   #2021
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If you build it, they will come.

I am trying to think of a subway station that has not seen major growth since first opened.
Um. Most of the stations along the Bloor-Danforth Line have not seen major growth. All stations apart from Scarborough Town Center (where growth was going to happen SRT or not as it was government backed) on the SRT have not seen major growth. Only the Yonge University Line fits the bill with most stations attracting major growth. However even on that line you have the York Mills, Wilson, Lawrence West, Dupont, Downsview, etc who have not seen much growth and increase in density. I'm all for transit expansion but poor capital expansion prioritization does not give you an excuse to hedge bets on urban development which may or may not materialize.
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Old November 29th, 2016, 05:34 AM   #2022
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A photo of the first LRV leaving the Thunder Bay factory for testing in Kingston. Exciting to see what will be running on Eglinton in a few short years!


Isn't Metrolinx cancelling the contract for these? Maybe these will end up in Kitchener-Waterloo instead.
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Old December 1st, 2016, 03:09 PM   #2023
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14 years ago the subway line to nowhere opened
On Nov. 22, 2002, Sheppard subway line was born, the first new Toronto subway line in almost 40 years.
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Sheppard Subway Train by Wiley Wolf, on Flickr

On Nov. 22, 2002 at 11:00 a.m. a train carrying Ontario Premier Ernie Eves, Toronto Mayor Mel Lastman, Transport Canada Minister David Collenette and TTC Chair Betty Disero broke through a banner across the track at Don Mills station, officially opening the Sheppard subway line.

Following the inaugural ride, there was a public open house, and the public was able to ride the new Line 4 free of charge while enjoying entertainment provided by bands and performing arts students. There were also gifts handed out, including complimentary tote bags.

Toronto’s first new subway line since 1966, the Sheppard line cost around $1 billion to construct and took 7 and a half years to build.

It was Toronto’s first fully accessible subway line with elevators at every station and was the first subway in Canada constructed entirely by tunnel boring machines. While it was criticized as ‘the line that goes nowhere,’ it also ushered in new thinking about infrastructure incorporating public art.

More : https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...re-opened.html
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Old December 1st, 2016, 10:15 PM   #2024
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14 years ago the subway line to nowhere opened
On Nov. 22, 2002, Sheppard subway line was born, the first new Toronto subway line in almost 40 years.
Toronto Star Excerpt
Nov. 22, 2016


Sheppard Subway Train by Wiley Wolf, on Flickr

On Nov. 22, 2002 at 11:00 a.m. a train carrying Ontario Premier Ernie Eves, Toronto Mayor Mel Lastman, Transport Canada Minister David Collenette and TTC Chair Betty Disero broke through a banner across the track at Don Mills station, officially opening the Sheppard subway line.

Following the inaugural ride, there was a public open house, and the public was able to ride the new Line 4 free of charge while enjoying entertainment provided by bands and performing arts students. There were also gifts handed out, including complimentary tote bags.

Toronto’s first new subway line since 1966, the Sheppard line cost around $1 billion to construct and took 7 and a half years to build.

It was Toronto’s first fully accessible subway line with elevators at every station and was the first subway in Canada constructed entirely by tunnel boring machines. While it was criticized as ‘the line that goes nowhere,’ it also ushered in new thinking about infrastructure incorporating public art.

More : https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...re-opened.html
So, why was it built in the first place?
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Old December 2nd, 2016, 02:08 AM   #2025
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So, why was it built in the first place?
because people thought this:

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I am trying to think of a subway station that has not seen major growth since first opened.
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Old December 2nd, 2016, 03:11 AM   #2026
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Old December 2nd, 2016, 04:01 AM   #2027
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So, why was it built in the first place?
They intended to build a full line all the way to Scarborough, which would have made sense. But they didn't have enough $.
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Old December 2nd, 2016, 04:20 AM   #2028
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So, why was it built in the first place?
The mayor at the time (Mel Lastman) was a little shady. There are whispers that he was paying off business friends who stood to benefit financially from a subway running along Sheppard. None of it has been proven but at least I can get to IKEA by subway now.
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When the Scarborough RT is re-worked as a subway will it just be part of Line 2? An extension of Line 5 to Pearson would make a lot of sense.
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When the Scarborough RT is re-worked as a subway will it just be part of Line 2? An extension of Line 5 to Pearson would make a lot of sense.
Yes, eventually it would be like this, hopefully before 2028 Olympics

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Old December 2nd, 2016, 06:00 AM   #2031
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When the Scarborough RT is re-worked as a subway will it just be part of Line 2?
I guess that would depend on whether or not there would be a short turn on Kennedy. I think it would make more sense anyway
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Please not that the new Orange line is NOT a Metro. It is an LRT and although 10km of the busiest central section will be underground, the rest I at-grade going down the middle of a busy street in ROW.

None of the Finch or Sheppard line is Metro either but just street running LRT in ROW. It just makes the map look better but even with the soon to be open Spadina subway extension, Toronto's subway system has grown by only 14 km in 30 years.

The real action in Toronto transit is the massive GO rail commuter system that will be turned into a RER in it's inner areas and will be electrified and totally grade separated.
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Old December 2nd, 2016, 11:18 PM   #2033
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Yes, eventually it would be like this, hopefully before 2028 Olympics

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Please not that the new Orange line is NOT a Metro. It is an LRT and although 10km of the busiest central section will be underground, the rest I at-grade going down the middle of a busy street in ROW.

None of the Finch or Sheppard line is Metro either but just street running LRT in ROW. It just makes the map look better but even with the soon to be open Spadina subway extension, Toronto's subway system has grown by only 14 km in 30 years.

The real action in Toronto transit is the massive GO rail commuter system that will be turned into a RER in it's inner areas and will be electrified and totally grade separated.
So, should the Streetcar lines that are built the same way as the Crosstown and future LRT lines be all on this map? It would really boost the (L)RT the city has already.
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Personally I would put them on the map but not with the same prominence as subway except for the underground portion of Eglinton. I think they should handle the surface lines like Paris does with its trams, by including them but with a finer line style compared to heavy lines for metro and rer.
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Old December 3rd, 2016, 05:04 AM   #2035
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I agree, the surface running sections of the LRT network should get a thinner line but I think transit technology politics are at play here. If the TTC did show the non grade separated sections differently then the subways, subways, subways crowd will start crying foul over them being relegated to "second class" citizens getting lesser transit.
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Personally I would put them on the map but but with the same prominence as subway except for the underground portion of Eglinton. I think they should handle the surface lines like Paris does with its trams, by including them but with a finer line style compared to heavy lines for metro and rer.
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I agree, the surface running sections of the LRT network should get a thinner line but I think transit technology politics are at play here. If the TTC did show the non grade separated sections differently then the subways, subways, subways crowd will start crying foul over them being relegated to "second class" citizens getting lesser transit.
Only have the lines that are in their own ROW. Have the LRT/Streetcar lines thinner and the Subways thicker. It would really showcase the transit Toronto really has.
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The real action in Toronto transit is the massive GO rail commuter system that will be turned into a RER in it's inner areas and will be electrified and totally grade separated.
GO RER is going to be far from grade separated, They have something like 170 at grade crossings on the GO network today and only something like 10 of them are being separated as a part of the program.
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Most of the GO commuter lines have few grade separations but as I understand it the entire RER system itself will be.
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The track map was recently posted to the "Transit Toronto" weblog

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/archive...w_transi.shtml
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The track map was recently posted to the "Transit Toronto" weblog

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/archive...w_transi.shtml
What software is used to make these types of maps?
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