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Old July 25th, 2006, 07:14 PM   #221
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That's where platform screen doors can prevent people from being pushed off the platform inadvertently.
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Old July 25th, 2006, 07:36 PM   #222
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"How would everyone even fit on the train, even if everyone was standing? "


Theoretically, the answer would probably be just one. A T1 car has a crush load of 315 passengers, so a six-car train can hold nearly 1900 people...I don't think there are that many people in that pic.

Bloor/Yonge is the major subway transfer station between two major lines downtown....it is unlikely the coming train would be empty, but generally, most people get off the train at that station. And the platform would generally never be that crowded...a T! train will come every minute or two. It only gets like that when there is a delay on the sytem, or perhaps a very big event going on around there, which ends and everybody pours on the subway at the same time (like the Pride Parade or something).







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Old July 26th, 2006, 06:12 PM   #223
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Vancouver is a nice city but even having a small highway would have solved all of the city's traffic problems.
I am not sure which "small highway" you mean, but I do understand that AADT volumes at Port Mann are in the range of 120 to 130 thousand compared to over 400 thousand on sections of Hwy 401 in Toronto.

I don't believe freeways alone would solve all traffic and transportation problems. Rather, a combination of freeways that include HOV lanes and express buses, heavy commuter rail of the GO or WCExpress variety running at improved speeds, and some rationally designed LRT lines are indicated. The GVRD and the BC Govt have refused to build the freeway element beyond a minimalist amount, have also seriously underplayed the commuter rail element, and instead have squandered billions on vastly overdone LRT lines that are too slow to be appropriate for the longer distances they are assigned to travel, but at the same time, by being elevated, have less impact on street level commercial activity that would a Calgary C-train arrangement.

It's an entirely suboptimal configuration arrived at by inter-governmental and inter-municipal log-rolling and politics, and conflicting irrational emotions, a desire to avoid the really big expenses of heavy rail and serious freeways, while at the same time being quite prepared to spend lavishly making an intermediate level system look like a major system. To stay out of trouble with the voters, the politicians, both local and provincial, rely on BC and especially Vancouver voters' smug, insular attitude, their endless willingness to be falsely flattered and told in cheesy government TV commercials that this is "the best place on Earth!", that they've done something really unique and special here that no other major city could possibly do. Which is partly true in a sense, although not a fit subject for bragging, really.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 03:24 AM   #224
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well eventhough the ttc subway is quite extensive, it needs to expand, build a ring rail or something that provides better connectivity to the suburbs or isolated regions of toronto
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Old July 27th, 2006, 03:27 AM   #225
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Regarding "bells and whistles" of animated signboard maps: Many modern subway systems have had this for years.
If I were up in front, I would be very very ver scared. Man, those station platforms need to be lengthened or widened and on top of that install platform screen doors.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 04:44 AM   #226
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hmm...is it just me, or is the Bloor Line sign at the top reversed??
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Old July 27th, 2006, 07:20 AM   #227
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hmm...is it just me, or is the Bloor Line sign at the top reversed??
I would imagine a that it is a photo that needs to be flipped around on its mirror image.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 08:33 AM   #228
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I would imagine a that it is a photo that needs to be flipped around on its mirror image.

Close but the shot was taken at a mirror. Anyways, as mentioned earlier Toronto stations rarely have this type of overcrowding. Even if this were the case, we would not have the money to install barriers or to extend the platform.

If you walk aroud some of the older stations such as Finch, you can see leaking water and basically stations falling apart.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 11:24 PM   #229
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That picture is quite crazy! Ther emust have been a stoppage of service that day or something.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 03:44 AM   #230
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well rush hour is quite busy but after that, there is virtually no traffic
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Old August 5th, 2006, 12:32 AM   #231
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I dont know if this is a stupid question, but what is a hydro corridor? why is there no development there? it obviously can support ttc commuter lots and facilities, and they seem to be planning rail lines along it...
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Old August 5th, 2006, 01:39 AM   #232
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^Immagine if you will high tention hydro lines with developement on either sides. That is a hydro corridor, just power lines that cut accross the land.

The problem with placing PT and ajacent facilities on them is the same as placing them over other ROWs, that is that people do not like to walk into the hinterlands to use them unless there is some sort of development around the stations.
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Old August 5th, 2006, 02:04 AM   #233
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^Immagine if you will high tention hydro lines with developement on either sides. That is a hydro corridor, just power lines that cut accross the land.

The problem with placing PT and ajacent facilities on them is the same as placing them over other ROWs, that is that people do not like to walk into the hinterlands to use them unless there is some sort of development around the stations.
Thanks, i was thinking of water pipes when i first saw the words "hydro corridor"...

although im still confused about the problem thing, the commuter lots take up the entire width of the corridor so wouldnt it be surrounded by development?
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Old August 5th, 2006, 02:19 AM   #234
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Toronto stations rarely have this type of overcrowding.
That's not how I remember that network -- twice as frequent service than here, twice as many people, twice as large cars -- I'd swear its the busiest network I've been on out of a couple of dozen I've ridden -- the number of passengers in the shot doesn't surprise me, rush hours.

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Old August 5th, 2006, 12:04 PM   #235
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This is a hydro corridor in Brampton, the one's in Toronto aren't this wide.
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Old August 7th, 2006, 10:07 PM   #236
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GTA Farecard

I saw many comments about this mixed into other threads, but there was no single thread about it, so...

In my opinion, the farecard would probably cost too much to implement, and I think discounted combo passes (yrt-ttc or mississauga-ttc) would work much better than having the smartcard thing. The same cross-boundary type of route currently used by the ttc into York could be used, and the "extra fare" would be in the combo card.
In chinese cities where smartcards are implemented, its all different companies for subway and buses, and buses is pay-to-get-on (no transfers) and subway is by distance (but that leaves no room for subway-bus integration). Of course, since GO is a seperated system anyways, it could probably work. But it may not, because local transit isnt included...
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Old August 8th, 2006, 06:30 AM   #237
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GO's system being different is not as much of an issue as it would appear on the surface. The reason for this is that GO has been spearheading the smartcard ahead of everybody else. Expense of its implementation is of course another issue. The TTC has been told that its subway station retrofits would be paid for by a higher level of government, this was at one point a potential deal-killer but, although controversion in terms of priorities, has been dealt with and resolved. I do not know how the busses plan to integrate with the smart card but I imagine a similar maybe to VastTraffik in Gothenburg Sweden, where their fare collection system is the same philosophy as GO Transit's, and since GO is spearheading the smartcard in the GTA, it seems like a likely solution. It would also hold compatibility with streetcars and possibly allow busses to be boarded from the rear.

The smartcard has its advantages and disadvantages, as does everything, but the key point is convenience and integration. There is a focus on territory and in limited cases with GO Transit, competition for routes, which sometimes gets complicated. This is something that cannot be easily solved though, but a coordinating body such as the GTTA might help, although I must admit I am skeptical given its weak makeup (given its current unimpressive state, it would make more sense to just let GO run the whole show, as they are in the best default position).
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Old August 8th, 2006, 10:49 PM   #238
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I was wondering, that if the farecard would turn the different transit agencies into different fare zones, how would it work? If it would work like the GO (vasttraffik) then would there be any way to properly check the fare? I was imagining mini-turnstiles at the entrances and exits of every bus, but the cost wouldn't make it worth it. Of course, the Chinese-style system where you pay once to get on each bus wouldnt work in NA because of the tight integration between bus routes.

How do current NA cards (ChicagoCard, Breezecard, etc) work and integrate with buses?
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Old August 8th, 2006, 11:21 PM   #239
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Ever ridden on the GO when you forgot to stamp your ticket? I have. I stamped it at the end of my trip instead of the start, since I like GO, but I effectively got a free ride if I had wanted it to be free. There is no way to check the fare on GO for every rider every time they ride, as that would require random inspections between every stop throughout the train. However, most people would really rather not get hit with the penalty for getting caught in a random inspection without a valid ticket. You just control people through fear. Some people are stupid enough to beleive that the trains don't get checked during rush hour because it is too crowded but they are wrong, I've been checked in the train when it is jampacked. It is less common perhaps, but certainly goes on. So the argument of how do you check busses and streetcars with random inspections when they are so crowded does not fly - just ask GO for instructions and they'll show you how it's done (maybe at a price =P). There would be a transition stage of course, but this can be facilitated by just making the posession of a transfer mandatory. Queen Street and King Street streetcars already have that practice in effect.
So not being able to check the fare everytime for everyone is not a problem. Putting a faregate into vehicles themselves is actually absurd - can you imagine a faregate at every set of doors to the subway? It is not practical to passengers and it is not economically viable either - and I'd point to air travel as proof.

As for fare zones being shared by all companies, that probably would not be necessary, because the card is "smart", it knows what company the vehicle belongs to, and you would have to use it at all transfers, different company or not (same as aforementioned vasttraffik).

I am not too familiar with other NA examples, but based on some smaller pieces of information pickedup here and there, I would not look to the US for advice in the public transit department. However, the model calls for something that works on bus, train, and streetcar, and that is why I brought up vasttraffik (they use all three with the same fare system, which is equivalent to POP Honour system, which would be easily compatible with smartcard).
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Old August 9th, 2006, 02:22 AM   #240
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Haven't heard anything about the GTA Farecard in a long time. Is the plan still on track? I thought the first phase was supposed to be in place by next year.
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