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Old September 26th, 2013, 04:03 PM   #1261
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... Presto. Once the TTC gets it fully rolled out Metrolinx is going to start integrating fares more than it currently does.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #1262
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I don't get it. What's so hard about paying a fare, getting a transfer, and using that transfer to board another agency's bus within the 2 hour time limit?

This is going to fall on deaf ears, but not many transit user in the GTA use more than 2 transit systems, and many transit systems run routes into neighbouring municpalities.
Not only that, there is a handy pass called the GTA pass that covers MiWay, TTC, Brampton Transit, and YRT.

I guess it's easy to whine about a system you don't use.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 06:41 PM   #1263
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I guess it's easy to whine about a system you don't use.
Actually non local non frequent users are the best measure of the usability of the system. If the GTA wants to have a truly world class public transit system such as hong kong or Paris it better heed complaints like this.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 09:19 PM   #1264
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The key is that they be occasional users, not people who constantly complain about the system from the other side of the continent and without even taking the time to figure out what the actual setup is.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 10:22 PM   #1265
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Exactly!
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Old September 27th, 2013, 04:37 PM   #1266
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The key is that they be occasional users, not people who constantly complain about the system from the other side of the continent and without even taking the time to figure out what the actual setup is.
For sure I agree in that respect but for a system that is touted to be good, I hardly think it is very user friendly. You know there is a problem if even the locals need an explanation of how the fare system works. Regardless like I said before truly user friendly systems extend their ease of use to beyond the occasional user. Of course when presto rolls out it will be a lot better but i'm pretty sure the TTC will find a way to mess it up like they always do.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #1267
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TTCs full implementation, after transition will be very simple. every bus and streetcar will operate on POP, and you tap on with presto. if you do not have presto, you get on the bus, and there will be a fare machine on board. you pay your fare, and you get a POP receipt. that simple. The transition period is much more complicated, as every person will have to get a POP receipt at first (including PRESTO riders), and the fare machines will accept both TTC tokens and cash.

I expect the TTC to implement a $0.75 cent fare to GO like most suburban municipalities currently do (provided you have PRESTO), and once the TTC is PRESTO ready, Metrolinx will probably start to implement more substantial fare integration.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 12:58 AM   #1268
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For sure I agree in that respect but for a system that is touted to be good, I hardly think it is very user friendly. You know there is a problem if even the locals need an explanation of how the fare system works. Regardless like I said before truly user friendly systems extend their ease of use to beyond the occasional user. Of course when presto rolls out it will be a lot better but i'm pretty sure the TTC will find a way to mess it up like they always do.
But what is wrong with the current system? The transfer policy is needlessly complicated, but I don't see any confusion regarding fares. Pay a flat $3.00, or use a pass. It's pretty straightforward..

Are you talking about the fare barrier? Even with Presto, it's unlikely the barrier will go away. It's extra revenue for Toronto, and the surrounding agencies. Has anyone used Presto on YRT,BRT, MT, and then at a subway station? I can only assume you get charged twice.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 04:33 AM   #1269
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But what is wrong with the current system? The transfer policy is needlessly complicated, but I don't see any confusion regarding fares. Pay a flat $3.00, or use a pass. It's pretty straightforward..



Are you talking about the fare barrier? Even with Presto, it's unlikely the barrier will go away. It's extra revenue for Toronto, and the surrounding agencies. Has anyone used Presto on YRT,BRT, MT, and then at a subway station? I can only assume you get charged twice.
Yes you do get charged twice but that's not the problem the problem you could say is that there is no presto; which I said should in theory fix everything. User friendliness goes beyond just fares. Buying a fare seems unnerving to the non-locals. Token machines don't except fives, I saw someone drop a twenty in the fare box at a subway station and asked for 3 tokens and change and the fare collector flipped out. Transfer system inefficient and convoluted it took me 10 min to explain the red "T" system and the queen POP etc. TTC through operations with YRT and Miway are another story.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 05:02 AM   #1270
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Completely agree, the TTC fare system is still a complete mess. This will of course change with PRESTO to what I explained, and it can't come fast enough.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 05:22 PM   #1271
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Old October 8th, 2013, 05:36 PM   #1272
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Why haven't they raised the platforms? What is wrong with these wooden slabs? Strange arrangement, very outdated (concrete is much better and should have been used in an extensive renovation project).
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Old October 9th, 2013, 09:43 PM   #1273
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Because passengers board the bi-level cars at that level? There are platforms for easy accessibilty. It's not a big issue. The trainshed is a listed building, so it's can't be demolished. I would have preferred the glass roof go over all the platforms, but it still looks really good.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 01:39 AM   #1274
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There is a high level platform for a short distance to ensure accessibility. (you can see it in the third last photo) There is no point in using concrete "slabs" as wood is just as effective and much cheaper. Concrete tends to only be used in places where wood is scarce. Every other platform on the GO network is not raised, so it would be silly to have raised train platforms here. (As well as the fact that VIA trains do not use raised platforms)
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 12:06 PM   #1275
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 12:11 PM   #1276
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I like Museum Station, but wondering when they're going to finish it. The ceiling is still the concrete and steel pipe mess it was before. Did they run out of money?
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 12:21 PM   #1277
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It's been 5 years since the renovation. It's a shame the station looks like incomplete.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 06:16 AM   #1278
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Old November 4th, 2013, 06:50 AM   #1279
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The VIVA fare system is ridiculously expensive and it looks like the frequency will not be good but the system of their BRT looks like a lot of effort and planning went into it. It looks like it has all the bells and whistles to make the system run effectively and quickly with attractive stations and streetscape.

As for the TTC fare system there is no way in hell why the GTA should have such a huge number of different transit agencies which makes fares complicated, transfers difficult, routes unconnected, planning uncoordinated, and very bureaucratic. The GTA should have, at most, five transit systems and GO namely TTC, Peel, Halton, York, and Durham.
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As for the TTC fare system there is no way in hell why the GTA should have such a huge number of different transit agencies which makes fares complicated, transfers difficult, routes unconnected, planning uncoordinated, and very bureaucratic. The GTA should have, at most, five transit systems and GO namely TTC, Peel, Halton, York, and Durham.
PRESTO Card aside, aside from the TTC all of the other suburban transit agencies had transfer agreements accepting each other's transfers. There is a lot more cross-border route penetration (aside from York and Durham who only just recently introduced a connecting route, albeit at the far north end of both jurisdictions). The suburban agencies also have arrangements with GO Transit offering discounted fares.

The integration works so well that when I was much younger I made a trip from Hamilton to Thornhill on a single $2 fare. I remember at the time there were a few stories in the media about making similar trips across the GTA.

Consolidating transit agencies for greater efficiencies of scale sounds good, but with Halton and Peel there are large rural areas which have been much less enthusiastic towards regionalized transit compared to York and Durham. It could be a matter of reaching a critical mass to support transit. The various agencies already place joint orders for new vehicles.

Within Peel, Mississauga and Brampton seem to be at odds over the future of the LRT project. Sorting out funding between the municipalities in any regional agency is always the trickiest part. Do you fund based on population, service coverage, split evenly?
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