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Old April 14th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #1361
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very visionary, but Toronto is a victim of an unfortunate ongoing political game between people outside Toronto and the generally right wing politicians they elect to punish Toronto for being successful. Just like last time Metrolinx had the projects approved, the funding, shovels already in the ground and the naïve electorate votes in international embarrassment Rob Ford (I've been on the fence about him until now, but he's done nothing just build his dubious reputation) and most of it is cancelled. Even the projects that are being built are facing intermittent politically motivated funding interruptions by the federal government. So, I will not get excited any time soon until all the ducks are in a row.
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Old April 14th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #1362
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"IF" They get reelected.
all they need is to pass the spring budget. if the NDP don't back them, then we head to the ballotbox, and even then the Liberals are leading in the polls right now. (this is bound to only make them even more popular)

Summary of what from my understanding is funded today:

Yellow = Subway
Black (the thicker the line the more frequent the service) = GO transit
Blue = LRT Thick line means grade seperated, thin means at grade
Orange (The thicker the line the higher the quality the right of way) = BRT


Currently existing map of Toronto's transit network for reference:



Already funded expansions: (Edit: ignore the very thin orange lines, those are brt lanes that already exist that I forgot to check off.




What was funded today: (From my understanding)




Every funded expansion together:



What our map will look like when everything is finished:

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Old April 14th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #1363
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let's cross our fingers that Canadians have grown tired of right wing ideology and start to embrace the future for their sakes and their children's.
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Old April 14th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #1364
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BRT is a lesser solution that should be ditched in favor of light rail, monorail or else.
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Old April 14th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #1365
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^ depends on the situation. the situation that BRT is being used here, it is suitable. In York region to the north the lines are so low ridership LRT doesn't make sense, the newly announced BRT today is simply curbside lanes, the BRT being built in Mississauga handles buses moving across the region from a whole whack of locations and due to the extreme amount of branching routes LRT wouldn't be feasible, etc.
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Old April 15th, 2014, 10:05 AM   #1366
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Kathleen Wynne announces $29 billion transit and transportation plan
Mon Apr 14 2014, by Richard J. Brennan and Tess Kalinowski


Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, left, and Glen Murray, Minister of Infrastructure, ride the subway while en route to Wynne's speech at the Toronto Region Board of Trade in Toronto Monday, April 14, 2014, photo by Darren Calabrese/ The Canadian Press

Funds from gas tax and HST on fuel tax to fund plan but says details will be revealed in the spring budget

‎Premier Kathleen Wynne says the minority Liberal government will spend $29 billion in new money over the next 10 years on transit and transportation — $15 billion for the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area and $14 billion for the rest of the province.

Speaking to a noon-hour Toronto crowd of about 500, ‎Wynne said it will dedicate 7.5 cents per litre of the gas tax and the HST on fuel tax — totalling more than $1.3 billion annually — to build new transit, roads, highways and bridges.

“We need an aggressive and serious investment in transit right here in the GTHA (Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area),” she said, adding the money now goes into general government coffers.

Wynne said the plan also includes new so-called dedicated revenue tools, redirecting existing revenue and debt financing.

The premier was short of specifics, saying details will be revealed in the spring budget, including how much will go to transit or whether there will be tax increases. She has, however already ruled out raising the gas tax, HST or raising income tax on middle-income earners.

However, she did say there will be high occupancy lane tolls, as laid out in last year’s budget and that the Green Bond program will be directed to the plan.

“We are going to make sure that we do not miss this opportunity to do the right thing,” Wynne said, emphasizing that her announcement does not mean the province is backing away from the multi-year, $50- billion Big Move project to improve transit across the GTHA.

Metrolinx board chair Robert Prichard said Wynne’s announcement represents an endorsement for The Big Move.

“We couldn’t be more pleased than to have an announcement that represents $15 billion of additional commitment to The Big Move on top of the very large investment already given,” he said.

Prichard said the challenge is to maintain the momentum of the transit building already going on in the region, including the new airport train link from Union Station, the Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown LRT, the Spadina subway extension and 30-minute, two-way GO service on the Lakeshore East and West lines.

Wynne told the crowd the opposition turns thumbs down on its transit and transportation plan, “then I am happy to take our plan to the people.”

“People understand that as they’re paying gas tax that it would be good for that gas tax to go into transportation infrastructure,” she said, adding that two cents per litre of the gas tax — or $320 million annually — shared by municipalities for public transit will continue.

Reaction from TTC chair Maria Augimeri was muted.

“I’m disappointed but cautiously optimistic she heard the words of a TTC rider,” said Augimeri. During a subway ride before lunch a rider confronted the premier to ask for relief from the sardine can subway, said the TTC chair.

Monday’s announcement won’t put an end to talk of revenue tools to pay for transit, one member of a panel headed by Anne Golden said last year. Its advice to hike the HST and gas tax was ignored, but Cherise Burda of the Pembina Institute said other ideas were reflected in Wynne’s speech.

“Some things actually have come out of the Golden panel. One of those things is the debt financing type of ratio and some other elements like the repurposing of revenue that currently exists and moving towards transit infrastructure,” she said.

“This a long game . . . I don’t think the debate is over about revenue tools but I’m happy to see dedication of a fund which is a first step,” said Burda of the sustainability think tank.

Earlier Monday, Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak said Toronto can have it all — new subways and better roads — without paying more taxes.

Hudak insisted, standing at the corner of Bloor and Yonge streets., that if elected his government would set aside a portion of the $12 billion the province spends on capital and infrastructure annually to be earmarked for new subways with the auditor general having oversight.

“We desperately need to make investments in our subway system,” he told reporters.

Hudak said the difference between his plan and Wynne’s is that he is not proposing to raise taxes or introduce tolls and fees to pay for it.

“The last thing you want to do is increase taxes like Kathleen Wynne, the Liberals and the NDP want to do . . . when increased taxes takes money out of the pockets and makes things more expensive. It will slow down our economy and cost us jobs,” he said.
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Old April 15th, 2014, 10:14 AM   #1367
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^ depends on the situation. the situation that BRT is being used here, it is suitable. In York region to the north the lines are so low ridership LRT doesn't make sense, the newly announced BRT today is simply curbside lanes, the BRT being built in Mississauga handles buses moving across the region from a whole whack of locations and due to the extreme amount of branching routes LRT wouldn't be feasible, etc.
The Transitway built in Ottawa is what the Mississauga one will be like. It could eventually be converted to LRT, just like what Ottawa is doing.
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Old April 15th, 2014, 05:18 PM   #1368
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busses are indeed a great way to build a ramified system and extend the read of the main transit lines into low density areas. it's what's made the TTC so effective.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #1369
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Do these LRT lines run on-street at all, like streetcar lines, or are they fully segregated from the roads?
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Old April 17th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #1370
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Mostly segregaded.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 12:52 AM   #1371
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Do these LRT lines run on-street at all, like streetcar lines, or are they fully segregated from the roads?
Sometimes in they run in tunnel but mostly they run on street in their own reserved lane.

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Old April 19th, 2014, 04:16 PM   #1372
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Mostly, eh MrAnonymous? So when must've that city brought about, e.g., swapping traffic lights for tram signals in its lexicon upstream there?
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Old April 19th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #1374
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Mostly, eh MrAnonymous? So when must've that city brought about, e.g., swapping traffic lights for tram signals in its lexicon upstream there?
I have no idea what you're saying.
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I have no idea what you're saying.
I am glad I wasn't the only one!
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Old April 20th, 2014, 02:51 AM   #1376
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I have no idea what you're saying.
Basically my reaction on every trainrover's post.
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Old April 20th, 2014, 10:48 AM   #1378
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Better to have no idea what somebody else is saying than being outlandishly clueless about what you yourself/ves utter, eh?
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 01:03 PM   #1379
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From Railway Gazette:

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Toronto orders 10 more Rockets
22 Apr 2014



CANADA: Toronto Transit Commission has ordered 10 more six-car Rocket metro trainsets from Bombardier Transportation.

The C$160m contract is an option on orders in 2006 and 2010 that total 420 cars. These are being built at Bombardier’s Thunder Bay factory, and the first entered service on the Yonge-University Line in mid-2011.

The trainsets have a crush-load capacity of nearly 1 200 passengers and a maximum speed of 88 km/h
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 08:10 AM   #1380
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Hmmm, some rep must've fibbed to that journal ("crush-load" ) .. before the advent of their boas there, I'm certain their train loads at peak hours were higher .. I seem to remember the figure to be 1,500.
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