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Old October 27th, 2005, 04:07 AM   #121
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^ they're hardly getting a 'crapload.' I'm waiting until the province and feds actually commit; if they do, then I'll celebrate.

The new subway cars are not the nicest looking, but there are politics at play here.

The TTC has not committed to the new streetcars. The model shown is one of the possibilities, but it's certainly not a done deal.
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Old October 27th, 2005, 04:18 AM   #122
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God damnit, we're getting those London Underground style trains, eck.

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^ they're hardly getting a 'crapload.' I'm waiting until the province and feds actually commit; if they do, then I'll celebrate.
No, wait till you're actually using them, then celebrate.
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Old October 27th, 2005, 05:59 AM   #123
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God damnit, we're getting those London Underground style trains, eck.
What makes you say this??? London is forced to run tiny little trains, Toronto does not have to and has no reason to.
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Old October 27th, 2005, 05:59 AM   #124
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God damnit, we're getting those London Underground style trains, eck.
Actually, if these are the Hong Kong style subway cars, they are far superior (in terms of comfort) to the London underground cars. First, they are not as cramped. Second, the London underground trains (at least the lines I've been on) are not one continuous tube like the ones in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong's MTR is gorgeous. If there is a system that the TTC wants to model itself after, Hong Kong is not a bad choice!

That being said though, I'm not going to get my hopes up
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Old October 27th, 2005, 10:08 AM   #125
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Charming. Looks like a carbon copy of Detroit's People Mover trains.
Looks like a carbon copy of Skytrain MKI
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Old October 27th, 2005, 08:05 PM   #126
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Ya, those MK1 are pretty awful. Very small, thin, small doors, dark, and loud.
The MK11 are light years ahead.
Roomy, the seats are more comfortable, they are articulated so the crowds can be more evenly spread out, much quieter, much brighter with more and larger window, wider and much better doors, far superior climate control and they look a hell of a lot better too.
You would hardly know they are used for the same thing
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Old October 27th, 2005, 09:54 PM   #127
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The subway cars we have now are the roomiest. I prefer the cars' straight walls as opposed to those curved or 'leaning in' ones.

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An exact copy of the SRT cars. Very tiny, and cramped.
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Old October 27th, 2005, 10:58 PM   #128
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Ya, those MK1 are pretty awful. Very small, thin, small doors, dark, and loud.
The MK11 are light years ahead.
Roomy, the seats are more comfortable, they are articulated so the crowds can be more evenly spread out, much quieter, much brighter with more and larger window, wider and much better doors, far superior climate control and they look a hell of a lot better too.
You would hardly know they are used for the same thing
I actually prefer them over the new ones, as the new ones are cramped in terms of leg room for knees, the seats are very hard and bad for your back, and are much more pleasant when heated (the MKII's are hotter than a sauna during the winter). Although, I guess during the rush to/from home the new ones are better.

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The subway cars we have now are the roomiest. I prefer the cars' straight walls as opposed to those curved or 'leaning in' ones.
I don't really notice the walls curving in on the MKII cars, but it does make it look nicer and modern (the square design went out of fashion some time ago), but subways aren't really concerned about image.

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An exact copy of the SRT cars. Very tiny, and cramped.
They are all the same Bombardier MK1 cars. Again, whenever I take it everybody that gets on gets a seat, but it probably would be during rush hour.
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Old October 28th, 2005, 06:15 PM   #129
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Cars are very large and spacious compare to Montreal subway. But I don't really like station architecture and style.
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Old October 28th, 2005, 08:37 PM   #130
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Well, all I can say for Toronto's subway is that it is clean and efficient enough. North America isn't big on subways (except New York). IMO, Toronto's got a decent network of urban infrastructure. The only problem is that it takes WAY too long for Toronto to build even a five station subway line (Sheppard Line). Anyways, we're going to have too few subway lines for a more 'spread-out' city.
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Old October 30th, 2005, 05:43 AM   #131
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TTC Ridership Booming

TORONTO, Oct. 27 /CNW/ - TTC ridership is up almost 3 percent over the same period last year.

TTC expects to carry at least 427 million riders by year end ... a 9 percent increase over ridership in 1999 when the TTC carried 393 million.

October saw record sales of Metropasses - 202,000 passes in one month, a 50 percent increase in sales over October 1999.

- 70 percent of Torontonians have taken the TTC within the last 12 months
- 50 percent of Torontonians take the TTC at least once a week
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Old October 30th, 2005, 08:18 AM   #132
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Muhahaha, Montreal... Watch out, Tdot's on a rampage.
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Old October 30th, 2005, 09:39 AM   #133
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Wow, Subway station in Toronto is nice and modern archiculture that like in LA subway station.
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Old October 30th, 2005, 07:00 PM   #134
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Two thirds of them do not have modern architecture - they're from the 60s and 70s. They also look the same. And yes, there are a few modern looking ones, just as there are almost anywhere else in the world there is a subway.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 10:53 PM   #135
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TTC figures show 10 million jump in ridership
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Bus lines, streetcars and subway lines are running at full capacity during the morning rush hour thanks to a spike in ridership, according to the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC).

The TTC's statistics show 10 million more passengers are using public transit over this time last year.

Officials are downplaying the increase.

Spokesperson Marilyn Bolton told CTV.ca by the end of the year the TTC will have had 428 million rides, up from 418 million at this time in 2004.

"While we're very pleased with the increase it's not astronomical," she said. "We're not going around screaming about how amazing we are, it's less than a three per cent increase, but we're very happy. It's better than a decrease."

Bolton said the main reason for the spike is the transferable Metropass introduced in September, which enables more than one person to use the monthly or weekly pass for different rides.

"The transferable Metropass is something we've been talking about for years, and when we introduced it back in September people latched onto it," Bolton said. "So I think perhaps the best news for us here is that it's brought us some extra ridership."

Other factors include a better economy, which means more people are working in Toronto, and higher gasoline prices which can make vehicles too expensive to run.

Bolton downplayed an earlier report that suggested possible capacity problems caused by extra riders. Some trains on the Bloor line are crowded as early as 6 a.m.

"We have extra capacity on the subway, and we've been getting replacement buses and extra buses, so we feel that current capacity looks good," she said.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 11:03 PM   #136
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Thats good news to hear, but I can't help but wonder how residential increase around ttc stops is helping ridership.
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Old December 7th, 2005, 04:35 PM   #137
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Littered with ghosts of subways that never came to be
5 December 2005
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I carry around a vision in my head of diagonal subway lines, stretching across Toronto from north Scarborough to south Etobicoke and from Rexdale to the Beaches, just as the Bakerloo, Piccadilly and Victoria lines slice across London.

It would certainly look nice on a TTC map.

But it wouldn't make sense. Most of the places those lines would go are just too spread out to support a subway system. For subways to make sense economically (inasmuch as something that is guaranteed to lose money can make sense), you need dense urban environments, where there are lots of potential passengers and lots of workplaces they need to reach.

Which is why the TTC's recently approved proposal to extend the Spadina line north to York University needs to be looked at very closely, if the city ever persuades Queen's Park and whomever is in charge in Ottawa to come up with their share of the $1.4-billion cost.

It's not necessarily a bad place for a subway, to be sure.

The university, which has 50,000 students, sees more than 1,000 buses roar onto its campus each day.

The proposed northernmost station, at Steeles Avenue, would become a monster hub for York Region commuters, taking pressure off Finch station and the Yonge line, which at rush hour is almost at capacity.

But there is little else there at the moment, between Downsview and York, to warrant a pricey subway. Without the Rolling Stones, Downsview Park is still just a big, empty field. If the subway extension happens, TTC and city officials will be betting on future high-density development in the area — condos, offices — to generate enough riders to justify an expensive 90-kilometre-an-hour, publicly funded underground train.

That's the same bet the city made with the Sheppard subway, and it is taking a lot longer than expected to pay off for the TTC, transit consultant Ed Levy says.

Nobody made sure that development along Sheppard would be transit friendly, he says. Most of the people moving into the area's condos have parking spots and cars and jobs in York Region that pay well, Mr. Levy says, leaving the Sheppard carrying far fewer people than it should.

Mr. Levy points out that the TTC has long had similar trouble filling the rest of the Spadina line's seats, thanks to NIMBY (not in my backyard) opposition to higher-density development, as well as spineless politicians and a tax structure that favours suburban sprawl. In fact, according to the TTC, every subway station built in Toronto after 1978 has failed to generate the expected densities.

“You are still seeing these single-family homes around Glencairn station,” he says. “It's ludicrous.”

TTC chief general manager Rick Ducharme says he will push governments to make a firm commitment to ensure that developers are bound to produce enough transit-friendly buildings — mid-rise or high-rise — to justify the Spadina line if it is given final approval and is built.

“I would hope that the province and the feds would have conditions on it. The low-density industrial area we have now, if that's all you're going to do and put a station there, why would you build it?”

Regardless, despite the York line's momentum, it may not be the next subway line Toronto builds. The TTC has several other ideas, each with its supporters.

Mr. Levy wants the Sheppard line extended west, where it would connect with the Spadina line and give Toronto a true rapid-transit network, as well as take the pressure off the Yonge line.

Then there is Scarborough, where local politicians are also braying for a Bloor-Danforth subway extension to replace the overcrowded Scarborough RT, whose current crop of vehicles is set to die in 10 or 15 years. Others want the Bloor line to head west into Mississauga.

Freer-flowing government money certainly has the TTC dreaming big again.

But this city remains littered with the ghosts of subways that never were.

The Eglinton subway is just an $83-million hole, filled in with sand in 1995. An underground streetcar line along Queen Street was approved in a citywide plebiscite not that long ago — New Year's Day, 1946. We are still waiting.
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Old December 8th, 2005, 08:45 AM   #138
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Makes me sad.

-Eglinton Line
-Bloor Subway Extensions
-Sheppard Line Extensions
-Spadina Line Extension
-Yonge Line Extension
-Downtown Relief

We can dream.


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Old December 17th, 2005, 09:39 AM   #139
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Toronto Transit employees + manager fired / Washroom peepholes

This story made me sick and I had to post it, I would have never thought transit employees would peep on riders in washrooms.

VIDEO: http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Stor.../Video-5-2.asx

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They claim they just wanted to catch their man, but on Friday the T.T.C. was being accused of putting that objective before the privacy rights of women who used a washroom on public transit property.

The nauseating story began when a staff member recently discovered three peepholes in the women’s washroom at Eglinton subway station and reported it to authorities.

The holes were immediately closed.

But not long after, they were re-drilled as bait so T.T.C. constables could catch the Peeping Tom in the act.

For over a month they remained open, serving as gaping, violating portals into a very private area.

T.T.C. worker Michelle Baird was the first to notice the holes and immediately complained.

“I was disgusted,” she said. “Really I could not believe it at first. I was like, my goodness. Just sick.”

T.T.C. union head Bob Kinnear was equally outraged.

“I'm sure that Metro Police Services would not have conducted an investigation in this way, so why is it that T.T.C. special constables feel that they have been empowered to conduct an investigation in this way?”

The union has filed a complaint which is now in arbitration.

Baird has taken some heat from co-workers for blowing the whistle, but she doesn’t second guess her decision.

“I would have lost sleep if I didn't come forward,” she says.

In the meantime, commuters are furious over the idea their safety and privacy may have been compromised.

“I'm scared to use the bathroom,” admits a passenger named Kaydine. “That's supposed to be a private place. That's disgusting. Very sick.”

“I find that very disturbing,” concurs Daniela Tavolier. “Especially for women. I'm very shocked and I hope that that doesn't have to happen again.”

Jeanzie Parkin believes it’s just another example of how far the city has fallen. “That's ridiculous,” she exhorts. “This city is getting worse, worse and worse. That's nasty.”

Two employees were charged in this case, including a manager.

But that doesn’t satisfy the Amalgamated Transit Union, which is demanding answers about how the situation was allowed to continue, despite the issues it was sure to raise.
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Old December 17th, 2005, 04:31 PM   #140
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Were they actually peeping though though? The way I read the story, they re-drilled the holes and waited to see if anybody came and peeped through them - they weren't actually staring through into the women's bathroom!
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