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Old September 25th, 2015, 08:37 PM   #1821
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All new lines have higher ridership in the first week - or sometimes first few weeks - than immediately after. Ridership can take a good year or more for it to be at expected long term levels. There's nothing new or shocking here. We'd need to evaluate it after at least a year, or preferably over several years, to draw any relevant conclusions. The projected ridership is 5000/day (double the current) after a year and remember, this is only after the first year of service.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 10:20 PM   #1822
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Another TBMs for Eglinton Crosstown line started boing on west side of line:

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Old October 17th, 2015, 08:51 AM   #1823
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Old October 20th, 2015, 01:32 PM   #1824
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Go Transit driving cars enter service
Tuesday, October 20, 2015



THE first of 67 Bombardier double-deck driving trailers ordered by Toronto and Hamilton transport authority Metrolinx entered passenger service with Go Transit on October 9

The BiLevel vehicles are being built at Bombardier's Thunder Bay plant in Ontario and feature a number of improvements over previous generations of Go Transit double-deck coaches including cab crash energy absorption zones, better driver visibility, and improved train monitoring capability

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Old October 26th, 2015, 10:34 PM   #1825
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^ I had no idea GO was getting new trains.
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Old October 27th, 2015, 07:49 AM   #1826
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As a comparison, the airport lines in Sydney and Brisbane took a few years to build up patronage too. Takes time to build awareness and change habits it seems.

Are there cheaper competing buses in Toronto? The train does seem really expensive.
yes, there is an airport express bus that is cheaper and more convenient because it stops at union station and then travels through the entire downtown core to places many people need to get to but the train can't go to.
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Old October 28th, 2015, 07:29 PM   #1827
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You think 10% ridership is self-sustainable?

90% empty is the overall figure, not the most empty part of the day, which means quite dismal performance if you say rush hour patronage is more respectable. They key point is ridership has dropped since it opened. If it consistently was low, at least you can blame lack of awareness or lack of signage at Pearson as more reasonable excuses.

2500 riders a day is pathetic when a subway can carry at least 250 per train (http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Proj...rain/index.jsp) and the Yonge Line gets 733,000 riders a day (based on station usage, so can halve the figures to account for entry and exit).
Just as a comparison, Montreal's 747 Airport Express bus, which links the airport to the city centre, carries 4000+ riders a day (2011 numbers, I couldn't find anything more up-to-date)
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Old October 28th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #1828
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the problem is price, TTC will get me fast from the airport to my subway stop for a $3. I will not be taking this rip-off service, plus it uses diesel fuel and pollutes are air.
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Old November 4th, 2015, 08:23 PM   #1829
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C$9·1bn Eglinton Crosstown light rail contract signed
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CANADA: Infrastructure Ontario, transport authority Metrolinx and preferred bidder Crosslinx Transit Solutions signed the C$9·1bn fixed-price construction and maintenance contract for Toronto’s Eglinton Crosstown Light Rail Transit project on November 3. Opening is scheduled for 2021.

Crosslinx was named preferred bidder on June 9. The consortium comprises ACS Infrastructure Canada, Aecon, EllisDon, SNC-Lavalin and Dragados Canada. A rival bid had been submitted by the Crosstown Transit Partners consortium of Fengate Capital Management, OHL Concesiones, Strabag, Bechtel and Obayashi Canada Holdings

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Old November 24th, 2015, 07:34 AM   #1831
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Token prices are going up by 10 cents to $2.9 in the new year to address a budget shortfall. Metropass prices won't be affected for now.

They really need to look into the property development model to build a decent cushion and hold off these price hikes.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 06:08 PM   #1833
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Token prices are going up by 10 cents to $2.9 in the new year to address a budget shortfall. Metropass prices won't be affected for now.

They really need to look into the property development model to build a decent cushion and hold off these price hikes.
No, they just need to get better subsidies from all levels of government which is at an all time low.
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No, they just need to get better subsidies from all levels of government which is at an all time low.
That means charging higher taxes, which is what users now have to do through the farebox.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 10:18 PM   #1835
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That means charging higher taxes, which is what users now have to do through the farebox.
So be it. If taxes subsidize road and expressway construction and maintenance then it has to subsidize transit too. Transit like our healthcare, is no place for an extensive Neoliberal out of pocket model. It is not a business it is a social good.
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Old December 5th, 2015, 05:03 AM   #1836
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So be it. If taxes subsidize road and expressway construction and maintenance then it has to subsidize transit too. Transit like our healthcare, is no place for an extensive Neoliberal out of pocket model. It is not a business it is a social good.
The problem is people are fed up with continuous fare increases and minimal service improvements. Adding taxes to fund a badly-managed system or increasing fares to support it are the same thing. Clearly the government is not good at running the thing and cannot think of better revenue sources to reduce the burden on the average joe.
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Clearly that's not true. The places with both lower fares and equal or higher farebox recovery ratios are more densely populated and have higher transit usage. Your suggestion that increasing subsidies means higher taxes also isn't necessarily true. Government can sometimes shift their priorities and reduce funding for things like road capacity while increase funding for things like transit without needing to increase their total revenue. But even if they did increase their total revenue by raising taxes, Canada and Toronto in particular don't have very high tax rates in a global context, and certainly lower than many parts of Europe that are known for their robust public transit.

The fact is, all money has to come from somewhere, and infrastructure ends up being paid for by the citizens of a society either directly or indirectly. If the government gets into the real estate business and develops lucrative land near transit stations, then that land is not available to the private sector to develop and profit from. And all those profits are diverted away from shareholders of the development companies and away from investing in other developments and employing other workers, and instead are used to fund transit. Not a bad use of funds, but they've still been diverted from other parts of the economy. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
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Clearly that's not true. The places with both lower fares and equal or higher farebox recovery ratios are more densely populated and have higher transit usage. Your suggestion that increasing subsidies means higher taxes also isn't necessarily true. Government can sometimes shift their priorities and reduce funding for things like road capacity while increase funding for things like transit without needing to increase their total revenue. But even if they did increase their total revenue by raising taxes, Canada and Toronto in particular don't have very high tax rates in a global context, and certainly lower than many parts of Europe that are known for their robust public transit.

The fact is, all money has to come from somewhere, and infrastructure ends up being paid for by the citizens of a society either directly or indirectly. If the government gets into the real estate business and develops lucrative land near transit stations, then that land is not available to the private sector to develop and profit from. And all those profits are diverted away from shareholders of the development companies and away from investing in other developments and employing other workers, and instead are used to fund transit. Not a bad use of funds, but they've still been diverted from other parts of the economy. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Who pays taxes? Taxpayers. You can shift funding around but the taxpayer bears the price. Will people be willing to move tax dollars from other priorities to transit? Won't they then complain their other services are being neglected, which will prompt tax increases?

Government should not be doing business. They are not good at it. The transit-property development model is very well established and they can sell the rights to private developers for the shovel and paint works.

Canada's income and corporate tax rates are high. You are just comparing a bunch of countries with insanely high tax rates and think they are low, which is not true.

The whole issue at hand is Canada is not planning its cities to be sustainable for public transit. Perhaps government officials need to have the guts to cut transit where it is not economical to run, or add density to the point where transit is viable.
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Canada's income taxes are relatively high but we have amongst the lowest corporate tax rates.
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The transit-property development model is very well established and they can sell the rights to private developers for the shovel and paint works.
This kind of thinking is what trashy right wing politicians use to trick the public that there is free money to create transit.

When Rob Ford said the Sheppard subway would be funded by private sector developers. Planners and Engineers looked into how much up zoning was needed around the stations fund such a huge project. They found that they would have to create a sea of 60-40 story condos around each station to collect enough development charges to fund major parts of the subway. The surrounding community of NIMBYs was appalled.

Now John Tory is proposing his transit plan be partly funded by a form of Land Value Capture but studies show that the neighbourhoods around the stations are too stable and lack development potential to get any major revenue from.

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The whole issue at hand is Canada is not planning its cities to be sustainable for public transit. Perhaps government officials need to have the guts to cut transit where it is not economical to run, or add density to the point where transit is viable.
That is what Rob ford did when he cut a lot of lower performing bus routes, crowding was up ridership was down. Adding density? Outside of neighborhoods in the downtown core, Toronto freaks out when a 6 story condo gets proposed. As much as Hong Kong is a great success in public transit its techniques can not be blindly replicated everywhere.
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