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Old January 10th, 2016, 05:31 AM   #1881
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LRT is marketing bullshit
Agreed. It's just the forcing of making people believe it's anything more than just a tram. I guess that's fine for cities who don't already have a tram/streetcar, however that is not the case for Toronto
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Old January 10th, 2016, 05:17 PM   #1882
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Agreed. It's just the forcing of making people believe it's anything more than just a tram. I guess that's fine for cities who don't already have a tram/streetcar, however that is not the case for Toronto


I would argue it would make a lot more sense for Toronto specifically because it already has a very different service that's referred to as a streetcar. You wouldn't want to label something very different with the same name and confuse people. If it was the same type of setup and performing the same type of service, sure. But in this case where it's almost unrecognisably different, trying to use the same name would be confusing and doesn't make sense.

In a city where streetcars don't already exist, there wouldn't be anything for people to confuse the new "streetcar" with. Although it could still be confusing if they were familiar with services in other places.
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Old January 11th, 2016, 07:52 AM   #1883
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Things can get blurry and some streetcar routes go underground or have their own ROW.

There is usually the accepted idea that LRT is for more fast transit with larger stations which are further apart but this can pertain to streetcars as well.

There is, technically, one big difference between streetcars and LRT which helps define them..........the vehicles themselves. While they use the same technology and track the vehicles for LRT are different. The 2 main difference between the LRT and streetcar/tram vehicles is that LRT have doors on BOTH sides of the train and LRT vehicles can be couple together while streetcars can't. Streetcars can certainly be articulated {like Toronto's} but one different vehicle cannot be attached to another different vehicle.

These are the 2 things that separate LRT and streetcars/trams universally throughout the world.
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Old January 11th, 2016, 08:44 AM   #1884
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Streetcars can't be driven from both ends. When they get to the end of the line they turn around in a loop. Streetcars only have doors on one side of the vehicle. LRT cars can be driven from both ends and they turn around in the same manner as subways do. The LRT cars have doors on both sides of the vehicle and can load at centre platforms or side platforms. Streetcars only load on the right side of the car either into traffic or at a small platform.
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Old January 11th, 2016, 11:41 AM   #1885
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There is, technically, one big difference between streetcars and LRT which helps define them..........the vehicles themselves. While they use the same technology and track the vehicles for LRT are different. The 2 main difference between the LRT and streetcar/tram vehicles is that LRT have doors on BOTH sides of the train and LRT vehicles can be couple together while streetcars can't. Streetcars can certainly be articulated {like Toronto's} but one different vehicle cannot be attached to another different vehicle.

These are the 2 things that separate LRT and streetcars/trams universally throughout the world.
Where'd you get that from? doesn't mesh with reality here in Europe.
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Old January 11th, 2016, 01:40 PM   #1886
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It isn't universally true in NA either; it's only true in terms of the older streecar stock. In terms of modern stock, it's still generally true, however, that LRT in NA use larger and faster rolling stock than streetcars, and that streetcar aren't normally coupled here.
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Spadina has been fully the new streetcars for a few weeks now, and I took a ride on Monday.

Its the busiest I've ever seen the new streetcars, I've only ever rid them along Queens Quay otherwise, which is a much less busy route, so it was the first time I saw it crush loaded. First off, much better environment when crush loaded than on the old streetcars. Doesn't feel nearly as cramped, and you can see out the windows much easier when standing than you can on the old ones. Also feels much more like you are on the subway.. The huge amount of people, being able to look far down the length of the streetcar, and the interior is generally the same style as the TRs on the Yonge line. Plus a bonus of no streetcar driver yelling at passengers that they can't get on if they can't get behind the yellow line. Overall, a much more pleasant experience than the old streetcars. Makes me wish they were on the 501, which is my regular commuter line.
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Old January 15th, 2016, 06:57 AM   #1889
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John Tory’s SmartTrack transit plan for Toronto getting smaller, cheaper



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Mayor John Tory’s SmartTrack transit plan is becoming smaller and cheaper, with the promise of more frequent service, The Globe and Mail has learned.

Staff with the city and the regional transit agency Metrolinx have been working on how to integrate SmartTrack with plans to expand GO Transit rail service, and, according to sources and a draft government document, a revamped version of the plan is taking shape.

The latest estimate is that the proposed integration of SmartTrack would add $2-billion to $3.5-billion to the existing GO plans.

Although details have not been finalized, Metrolinx staff are expected to recommend adding only four or five new stations along the Kitchener and Stouffville corridors, and an LRT – instead of heavy rail – along Eglinton Avenue West to Pearson airport. The plan originally called for three stations along that stretch, but with an LRT, staff are looking at between six and 17 stations.

SmartTrack was central to Mr. Tory’s successful mayoral campaign – featured on his lawn signs and referenced in nearly every appearance – even though his policy was not spelled out. As a candidate, and then as mayor, he argued that he didn’t have the resources to hire engineers to work out all the details of what he thought would be an $8-billion project.

Those studies were approved by city council, with the results expected to appear in the coming months.

At city hall, staff are expected to concur with Metrolinx that LRT is the best way to serve the western portion of Mr. Tory’s plan. And they will suggest that the service from the Mount Dennis neighbourhood in the west to Kennedy station in the east be prioritized, with this U-shaped section and the LRT forming Phase 1 of the project. The northeastern section up to Markham would be pushed into the future.
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Old January 19th, 2016, 06:42 AM   #1890
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Will Smartrack be similar London's Overground network?
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3rd Quarter Public Transit Ridership numbers for the GTA

Brampton / Brampton Transit - 72,300 (2015) : 4.09%
Oakville / Oakville Transit - 12,200 (2015) : -7.35%
Richmond Hill / York Region Transit - 71,600 (2015) : -3.86%
Toronto / TTC Heavy Rail - 974,700 (2015) : 2.20%
Toronto / TTC Intermediate Rail - 31,600 (2015) : -22.83%
Toronto / TTC Light Rail - 269,800 (2015) : 0.21%
Toronto / TTC Bus - 1.282 Million (2015) : -6.67%
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What happened to the Downtown Relief Line?
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Isn't that the Smart track plan?
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Old January 20th, 2016, 11:42 PM   #1894
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Downtown relief line is currently in the Environmental Assessment phase. Its not Smart Track, its a new subway line running roughly from Pape station to King Station. A report is supposed to be out this month with the preferred alignment, with the EA finishing by the end of the year. Funding for construction has not been secured.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 11:43 PM   #1895
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle28280303/

New proposal for Scarborough subway plan includes fewer stops, New LRT to UTSC




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A major revamp of the contentious $3.5-billion Scarborough subway is heading to council, The Globe and Mail has learned.

The plan drafted by city staff would lower the cost of the subway project by having fewer stations – one stop instead of three – by running the train directly from Kennedy station to Scarborough Town Centre and then stopping. According to a high level source who has been briefed on the proposal, the savings could be ploughed into extending the Eglinton Crosstown LRT to the University of Toronto campus in the east end.

Combined with other changes related to Mayor John Tory’s SmartTrack plan, the idea offers the prospect of an LRT eventually running from Pearson International Airport in the west to the U of T Scarborough campus in the east.

Sources said that shortening the subway and eliminating two stations would shave $1-billion off the cost of roughly $3.5-billion. Subway builders would avoid the costly exercise of tunnelling under the 401 highway to Sheppard Avenue, which was to have been the terminus of the subway.

The subway would no longer stop at Lawrence Avenue, but nearby stops on Mayor John Tory’s ‎proposed SmartTrack line would take up some of the ridership slack.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 12:39 AM   #1896
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New proposal for Scarborough subway plan includes fewer stops, New LRT to UTSC


I find it really funny how though all the arguing and flip flopping they are slowly gravitating back towards the original RER + transit city plan.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 04:34 AM   #1897
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^ I enjoyed this tweet from a Toronto journalist today:

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Old January 21st, 2016, 05:43 AM   #1898
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this age old Toronto flip flop, it's getting tiring and spending $2.5 billion for one stop is nuts. Give Scarboro a real subway and let development intensify.
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McCowan road is quite thin and SFH residential so there is actually very little TOD potential along it. Since there will be no intermediate stations, why they don't save another billion by using the existing SRT corridor is anybody's guess.
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TTC to introduce five new express bus routes in March 2016.

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