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Old February 3rd, 2016, 01:25 AM   #1901
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City proposes Queen Street route for Toronto’s downtown relief line


Plans for downtown Toronto’s first subway in decades are taking shape, with the city’s planning department urging that it run below Queen Street.

Details of the long-awaited downtown relief line – a route that has been discussed in various permutations for a century – emerged on Friday. According to information obtained by The Globe and Mail, staff have concluded that the best approach involves a connection from Pape Station near Danforth Avenue to the area around City Hall.

Although the plan is primarily about diverting passengers from the overcrowded Yonge subway line, a briefing for councillors made clear the value of the new line to the city centre as well. According to a draft staff presentation, the subway plan would “fill [a] rapid transit void in the core” and “recognizes that downtown is 24/7.”

The proposal pencils in stations along Queen Street around Sherbourne Street, Sumach Street and Broadview Avenue, and one near Gerrard Square. These would allow access to Regent Park and Moss Park, and offer the chance of a connection to the Stouffville GO corridor, which is expected to get much more frequent service under provincial and city plans.

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Old February 4th, 2016, 07:12 PM   #1902
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I hope they don't choose Queen as it will mean we'll likely never get a subway running along Queen all the way to Etobicoke on the Queensway and in the other direction to the Beaches. (I doubt we'll get 2 subway lines on Queen.)
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Old February 4th, 2016, 10:46 PM   #1903
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Old February 5th, 2016, 01:35 PM   #1904
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Superbus would be cool.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 06:23 PM   #1905
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Toronto has such a pathetic record when it comes to public transit. Plans come and go but not a whole lot ever gets done. A relief line on Queen is at least a decade overdue and if it ever gets built it will be so many years down the road that it will already be overcapacity thanks to the huge towers being built in the downtown core. (I don't begrudge the towers, just the fact that public transit hasn't kept pace.) When projects proceed, like the Sheppard subway and the St. Clair dedicated street-car line, they are scandalously over budget, take far longer than promised (disrupting neighbour hoods and putting small businesses out of business) and really don't deliver the promised safety and efficiency gains. I really feel sorry for the folks on Eglinton if that line has half the problems of St. Clair. Meanwhile the Mayor's FastTrack plan is far too modest - and they're already cutting back on it! I don't know what it is about Toronto (well, bad leadership, uncoordinated planning and lack of financial support from senior levels of government, to begin with) that makes terrible public transit one of the city's defining qualities.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 06:15 AM   #1906
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Toronto needs to take some pointers from Montreal on how to run public transit.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 07:43 AM   #1907
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I don't know what it is about Toronto (well, bad leadership, uncoordinated planning and lack of financial support from senior levels of government, to begin with) that makes terrible public transit one of the city's defining qualities.
It's partly the culture and the Canadian tendency to think modestly/small. Toronto exists in the most auto intensive region of north America. Michigan/Ontario was ground zero for the auto industry and spawned things like Highway 401, the busiest freeway on the planet. Mass transit has historically been viewed as a frivolous European thing we need not bother with. The huge population increase over the last few decades has forced people here to grudgingly accept that we need mass transit.

Then you have a population that's not used to making grand plans or aiming high. Toronto has historically been a blue collar city where ambition was frowned upon and modesty applauded. Transit demands thinking big but that's just not something that Toronto has ever been good at. Build it as basic as possible and never let it look like a waste of taxes by building it too lavish or extensive. The population is more interested in not rocking the boat and trying to satisfy lots of different interest groups at the same time. In end up serving none all to well in our continuous compromise 'solutions'.

It's only because we're now in panic mode to fix our gridlock that anything is getting done. Sadly, few here seem to be able to look to the needs of Toronto 20-30 years into the future so we end up with the piece meal patch jobs. Rather than recognizing that we need a DRL and a Queen we'll build a DRL through Queen only to realize 15 years from now that we need a Queen Line as well. By then, it will be too late of course so we'll end up with another patch job to try and serve the Queensway and blend it into the DRL somehow.

London thinks big because they had an Empire. Toronto still thinks its a giant Winnipeg and behaves accordingly. It's maddening but this is just one area where we're absolutely hopeless.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 10:16 PM   #1908
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I hope they don't choose Queen as it will mean we'll likely never get a subway running along Queen all the way to Etobicoke on the Queensway and in the other direction to the Beaches. (I doubt we'll get 2 subway lines on Queen.)
Why would you want a subway to the beaches area? That area is extremely interested in keeping its small town charm a subway there would go against everything it's BIA and residents value. On the Humber or New Toronto side, you can achieve better service at a lower cost with a GO Lakeshore West rapid transit line or local RER service. So I don't see how moving the Relief Line for this Queen line makes any sense. Anyways, either Queen and King are the good corridors for the line. I think the city did a pretty good job with the alignment. However, I would prefer a dual interchange that directly connects to the Yonge and University sides of the line instead of that single City Hall station kind of hanging out in limbo.

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Old February 7th, 2016, 01:30 AM   #1909
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the problem is that at every level of government politicians have played the anti-Toronto card to get elected and they then push for more highways and wasteful infrastructure in the burbs to service low density sprawl where their electorate live all built by their biggest supporters, the developers. Harris was the worst he even had the few sections of Eglinton Ave subway tunnels that were built buried. Such was his contempt for Toronto. Sadly, all of Ontario and Canada is now paying the price for this. And then there's Rob Ford, against any form of transportation except cars (massive suvs with one passenger preferred) and all the anti-pinko gay lesbian bike and transit-riding socialist tax and spend liberal commies that live in Toronto. It's very sad how we keep tearing up good plans.

I think the route of the east relief line is ok with only a few stops in areas where intensification could occur and thereby offset stable mature neighbourhoods. Let's just do this already.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 06:53 AM   #1910
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Options for Toronto RER system:
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Option A: 4-6 minute peak frequencies and 7.5-minute off-peak frequencies with new stations serving Gerrard, Unilever, Bathurst-Spadina, Liberty Village and St Clair West

Option B: express and local services operating at 20-minute headways to give 10-minute frequencies at key stations in the core. Express services would only serve existing stations, while local services would call at existing stations and eight new stations: St Clair, Liberty Village, Bathurst-Spadina, Unilever, Gerrard-Carlaw, Ellesmere, Lawrence, and Finch

Option C: the funded and committed Go Transit/RER service of 5-10 minute peak and 15-minute off-peak frequencies with seven or eight new stations (as option B), and

Option D: 5-10 minute peak and 15-minute off-peak services with four or five new stations serving St Clair, Liberty Village, Unilever, and Gerrard- Carlaw.

All four options assume through operation between the Kitchener and Stoufville lines.

Also Metrolinx officials also provided an update on network electrification plans. Electrification will be on all of the five core RER corridors, UP Express, and other Go Transit lines that are 100% owned by Metrolinx (in means of track owning, some passenger services are shared with freight tracks). These include the Barrie Line to Allandale Waterfront, the Stouffville Line to Lincolnville, and the Lakeshore East Line to Oshawa.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 04:52 PM   #1912
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Any particular reason why the Richmond Hill and Milton lines are not being included? What about the rest of the very busy Lakeshore West line? Or service to Kitchener? I assume that the Bowmanville extension will be electrified?
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Any particular reason why the Richmond Hill and Milton lines are not being included? What about the rest of the very busy Lakeshore West line? Or service to Kitchener? I assume that the Bowmanville extension will be electrified?
Major portions of the Milton line is not owned by GO and CP rail (the owner of the tracks) is not very receptive of GO putting wires over their assets. The Richmond Hill Line I think has issues with CN on the Doncaster diamond grade separation. Electrification to Hamilton and Kitchener is part of the vision but at the moment it is not cost effective to electrify them now.
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Richmond Hill has issues with it mainly running through the Don Valley. Any major changes to that line will have large environmental effects, especially if they want to fix the issue of the tracks flooding.

Milton is CP's mainline, so GO needs to spend billions to essentially build its own parallel corridor if it wants to electrify it. Its the same reason for Hamilton and Kitchener, they hit privately owned tracks.

There is a plan to build a freight bypass track to shift freight off of the Kitchener and Milton lines, which would allow GO to electrify them. Its in its early stages, but it would involve a roughly 20km long new rail line along the 407 corridor connecting CN's current bypass track to CP's mainline between Mississauga and Milton.. removing freight entirely from central Toronto and letting Metrolinx electrify and upgrade the existing GO lines.

Current setup of rail traffic in Toronto:



with the "missing link" freight bypass:

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Thousands of people have been lining up for up to three hours or more in Toronto on Monday to take a train that normally struggles to fill more than 10 per cent of its seats: the Union Pearson Express (UPX).

They're taking advantage of the opportunity to ride the train for free on Family Day weekend, courtesy of Metrolinx. And according to the regional transit agency, many of them say they're doing it just to try it out.

Metrolinx spokesperson Anne-Marie Aikins told CBC News that Metrolinx made the move to show people how easy the train is to get to and how quick it is to make the trip between Union Station and Pearson airport, and she said Torontonians have responding in record numbers. The free rides are scheduled to end at 1 a.m. Tuesday.

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On Saturday, more than 10,000 people rode the train. Aikins estimated that as many as 15,000 people had taken the train on Monday by the middle of the afternoon.
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The high fare for this line is a joke. When will they get that finaly? The 'free ride day' wont change it. People will try and come never again.
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