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Old March 15th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #701
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But it has level crossings! So its not fully segregated.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 01:24 AM   #702
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Old March 16th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #703
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But it has level crossings! So its not fully segregated.
Most of the railways also have level crossings and we don´t say they share tracks with automobiles...

Road vehicles cross the tracks in the outskirts of Oporto but they don´t run along with metro in the same path like we see with tramways. This happens in Oporto with historic trams as shown in some pictures above.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 01:36 AM   #704
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But it has level crossings! So its not fully segregated.
It does but the metro has always priority over automobiles; the crossings are controlled by traffic lights that turn red as the metro approaches them.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 03:29 PM   #705
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No. Metro do Porto isn´t a tramway. It runs only on dedicated tracks even on surface outside Oporto city limits, like we see on the pictures above.
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In Warsaw over 95% of tram tracks is separated from the road traffic.
Form Polish perspective Metro do Porto is fast tram network with underground section in the centre.
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And my last set from Porto


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It seems that Porto metro is an expensive "toy":

http://www.jn.pt/paginainicial/pais/...ent_id=2391238

Losses in 2011: 397 mln Euros (including repayment of loans).
Number of passengers in 2011: 55.7 mln (about 152,600 per day).

This means that every ride created a loss of 7.1 Euros.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 04:13 PM   #712
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Coverage Rate in term of occupation (2011):




Legend:

Red: ≤30%

Yellow: 30%-50%

Orange: 50%-70%

Green: 70%-100%

Blue: >100%



Other data:

- In 2011 the Revenue covers 88,7% of the Costs of Operation;

- 0,1379€ »» is the cost for transporting a passenger for each kilometer;

- 0,1223€ »» is the revenue for transporting a passenger for each kilometer.
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Old April 3rd, 2012, 07:06 AM   #713
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It is odd that some of the sections with a lower coverage rate belong to new built sections (i.e. Carreira - Fanzeres).

Is that due to a low passenger demand or to a high train offer?
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Old April 3rd, 2012, 01:15 PM   #714
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It is odd that some of the sections with a lower coverage rate belong to new built sections (i.e. Carreira - Fanzeres).

Is that due to a low passenger demand or to a high train offer?

The reason for Carreira-Fânzeres is because of design, what i mean is that the line was suppost to continue for more 6/7 Km due south to the city of Gondomar, but it stops in the middle of nowhere. A second reason is becuase of the ticket zoning for the last 2 stops (Fânzeres and Venda Nova) that make the voyages more expensive!!



IPO-Hosp. São João »»» the reason is due to the close proximity between the two stations, because of political reasons between Metro do Porto and the Hospital administration!!



Brito Capelo-Sr. do Matosinhos »»» the reason is also the not continuation of the line to Leça da Palmeira (across the Leixões Harbour), this expansion is on hault waiting for better days!!

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Old April 3rd, 2012, 02:30 PM   #715
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It is odd that some of the sections with a lower coverage rate belong to new built sections (i.e. Carreira - Fanzeres).

Is that due to a low passenger demand or to a high train offer?
It's quite usual that the last section of a radial line has the lowest ridership.
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Old April 3rd, 2012, 08:52 PM   #716
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Line B - Póvoa de Varzim Station
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Estação da Póvoa de Varzim - Metro do Porto por Luís Meireles, no Flickr
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Old April 4th, 2012, 03:20 AM   #717
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Old April 6th, 2012, 09:15 PM   #718
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Great quality photos! Porto deserves them!
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Old April 7th, 2012, 12:39 PM   #719
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It seems that Porto metro is an expensive "toy":

http://www.jn.pt/paginainicial/pais/...ent_id=2391238

Losses in 2011: 397 mln Euros (including repayment of loans).
Number of passengers in 2011: 55.7 mln (about 152,600 per day).

This means that every ride created a loss of 7.1 Euros.
As if in any country in the world public transport infrastructure pays for itself directly.
If yearly loss includes repayment of loans, conclusion that every ride creates a loss of 7,1 Euro is nonsense.
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Old April 28th, 2012, 04:03 PM   #720
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Line B

1-Bridge over the Ave River
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METRO DO PORTO-LINHA B-ESTÁDIO DO DRAGÃO/PÓVOA DE VARZIM-PONTE SOBRE O RIO AVE-VILA DO CONDE por dfp2010, no Flickr

2-Bridge over the Ave River
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Rio Ave por ernstkers, no Flickr

3-Bridge over the Ave River
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METRO DO PORTO-LINHA B-ESTÁDIO DO DRAGÃO/PÓVOA DE VARZIM-PONTE SOBRE O RIO AVE-VILA DO CONDE por dfp2010, no Flickr

4-Vila do Conde Area

Fonte: http://www.dinheirovivo.pt/Economia/...ECO028679.html
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