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Old March 4th, 2014, 02:33 AM   #261
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I thinf, the sphere could be perfect inside in the oculus, world trade center transportation hub just in the center.
the transportation hub isn't a museum or memorial. No need to place a crushed piece of artwork there.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 02:46 AM   #262
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the sphere ??? not included in this plan
For some unknown reason it has become a complete political football! Even though it's one of the most recognizable symbols of the destruction of 9/11 nobody wants to commit a place to put it. Many people feel the ideal place would be either in the museum or near its original location. Others feel it should go in this park. Unfortunately nobody with any authority wants to make a decision where to put it.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 12:43 PM   #263
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the transportation hub isn't a museum or memorial. No need to place a crushed piece of artwork there.
I don´t think so, today, all stations are full of art, the Calatrava building itself is a piece of art, and the place closest to the original is impossible. you don´t forget that the sphere is mainly art. this is only my opinion.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 11:51 PM   #264
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For some unknown reason it has become a complete political football! Even though it's one of the most recognizable symbols of the destruction of 9/11 nobody wants to commit a place to put it. Many people feel the ideal place would be easier in the museum or the park and or near its original location. Others feel it should go in this park. Unfortunately nobody with any authority wants to make a decision where to put it.
this whole site become a political football
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Old March 6th, 2014, 06:08 AM   #265
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It needs to to go somewhere on site. I remember seeing sometime back a spot near the east entrance plaza of 1WTC was an option the PA explored too.
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Old March 13th, 2014, 08:38 PM   #266
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Work on the future Liberty Park seems to be starting, big wooden formworks are placed..

Now that spring is arriving, hopefully they go full steam ahead

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Old April 9th, 2014, 09:30 PM   #267
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...activity on the roof of the VSC - future Liberty Park - today...

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Old April 21st, 2014, 12:38 AM   #268
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pics showing the eastern side which is not visible from the earthcam angle..
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Something is starting to rise above the VSC, and a set of stairs in poured concrete rises up on the east end, leading up to where the church will be ...





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Old April 21st, 2014, 04:45 PM   #269
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So the St Nicholas church is rising again?
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Old April 26th, 2014, 06:16 PM   #271
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the transportation hub isn't a museum or memorial. No need to place a crushed piece of artwork there.
They are planning on building a "cultural arts center" next to 1WTC it would be a good fit in there if they don't place it in the park above the VSC.

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Old April 26th, 2014, 07:18 PM   #272
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So the St Nicholas church is rising again?
What you see rising on lofter's photo is an exhaust vent.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 10:12 PM   #273
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I'm realizing that it appears that neither of the buildings has a parking of it's own, and I think this VSC is probably not going to be a public parking. So my question is where does the PA plan to get the necessary parking lots for all of the thousands of people working here and the tourists that come to the plaza, mall, museum, observatory, etc? Or does the PA think that, as this land is a property of a subway company, then everybody will use the subway to get here? If the answer to this second question is yes, I think this is a HUGE design problem. Specially since most of the buildings are targeted to attract more public than workers. (Mall, performing arts center, observatory, museum..)
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Old May 9th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #274
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I'm realizing that it appears that neither of the buildings has a parking of it's own, and I think this VSC is probably not going to be a public parking. So my question is where does the PA plan to get the necessary parking lots for all of the thousands of people working here and the tourists that come to the plaza, mall, museum, observatory, etc? Or does the PA think that, as this land is a property of a subway company, then everybody will use the subway to get here? If the answer to this second question is yes, I think this is a HUGE design problem. Specially since most of the buildings are targeted to attract more public than workers. (Mall, performing arts center, observatory, museum..)
If it's a HUGE design problem here like you suggest then it's a HUGE problem in all of New York City! With the exception of parking for residential buildings and in some cases hotels there is very limited parking in all of the core sections of New York City. People do take the subways to work and to visit various tourist attractions. Of course taxis are also available but they are very expensive for most trips. You have to live in or at least visit New York extensively to realize how people get around in the city. Automobiles are just not part of the daily way of life here like they are in most places in America.
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Old May 9th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #275
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I'm realizing that it appears that neither of the buildings has a parking of it's own, and I think this VSC is probably not going to be a public parking. So my question is where does the PA plan to get the necessary parking lots for all of the thousands of people working here and the tourists that come to the plaza, mall, museum, observatory, etc? Or does the PA think that, as this land is a property of a subway company, then everybody will use the subway to get here? If the answer to this second question is yes, I think this is a HUGE design problem. Specially since most of the buildings are targeted to attract more public than workers. (Mall, performing arts center, observatory, museum..)
New York is a great city because of it's heavy reliance on public transit rather than private vehicles. It isn't a huge design "problem" but rather the fundamental success of Manhattan and much of the 5 boroughs. That isn't to say everyone should prefer such a lifestyle. But it is a requirement in order to have an extremely dense city like NYC.

Attempting to shoehorn more cars into lower Manhattan would make everyone's lives miserable, including the tourists. It is just flat out impossible to accommodate as many cars as would be needed. Even with additional parking, it would fill up and the vast majority of people would still have to use mass transit. The net effect would be even more insanely congested streets and yet no significant impact on the number of people needing to take mass transit.
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Old May 9th, 2014, 11:09 PM   #276
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Thanks for the explination. If the use of public transport is regular even with the upper class people that would visit the WTC, then I guess the lack of public parking is no big problem and I was wrong.

I live in Caracas, Venezuela and, altought the subway trains are full of people to the point that one cannot move until the train stops, and people hang out of the buses, the quantity of cars is a mayor problem of the city, to the point that even one or two lanes of every street get lost due to paralel parking, due to insufficient parking. and this is with only 6 million people..

I've been to Detroit and Houston, and yeah in those cities the parking areas are gigantic. Kind of what I was expecting to see here.
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I've been to Detroit and Houston, and yeah in those cities the parking areas are gigantic. Kind of what I was expecting to see here.
Those 2 cities are great examples of cities dependent on the automobile as are most large US cities. New York, Philadelphia enter a lesser extent Baltimore and Boston are about the only US cities where mass transit is the norm for most people that work and live in the heart of the city.
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Thanks for the explination. If the use of public transport is regular even with the upper class people that would visit the WTC, then I guess the lack of public parking is no big problem and I was wrong.

I live in Caracas, Venezuela and, altought the subway trains are full of people to the point that one cannot move until the train stops, and people hang out of the buses, the quantity of cars is a mayor problem of the city, to the point that even one or two lanes of every street get lost due to paralel parking, due to insufficient parking. and this is with only 6 million people..

I've been to Detroit and Houston, and yeah in those cities the parking areas are gigantic. Kind of what I was expecting to see here.
Detroit and Houston are on the opposite end of the urban spectrum from NYC. Detroit is a city of terminal decline, where empty land is often more valuable than land with buildings on it because of the cost of demolition. Parking lots are a natural use there. Houston is a city of infinite sprawl, with a very weak urban fabric that would be better described as a series of interconnected suburban office parks than as a city. Parking lots are essential there.

In Manhattan, open-air parking lots were rare even before the latest boom and have become all but unheard of today. Tower lots are rapidly being replaced by residential or commercial development as well. Underground lots remain common but still provide very little parking. And, yes, public transit is widely used even by those with salaries approaching $1 million/year. Only around 20% of Manhattan residents own a car, and the rate is below 50% for the whole city. Many people commute from the suburbs by train or bus as well.

For reference, by the end of the year there will be only *one* gas station below 14th St in Manhattan. (There are three right now, two will close to be replaced by new development before the end of the year, and the last one won't last much longer as development plans are already out.)
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Old May 11th, 2014, 01:24 AM   #279
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But the others are updated more than 2 hours! What's wrong with earthcam??
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