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Old October 5th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #201
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Old October 6th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #202
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well compared to the Fyra.....this Frecciarossa is ******* awsome
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Old October 6th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #203
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well compared to the Fyra.....this Frecciarossa is ******* awsome
That's what you get when all you let AnsaldoBreda do is tighten some bolts.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #204
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That's what you get when all you let AnsaldoBreda do is tighten some bolts.
maybe u are right but maybe if the result is that to tight all those bolts.... AB & Bombardier forever

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Old October 8th, 2013, 02:52 PM   #205
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I get many information's to here.Thanks fora shearing.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 03:28 PM   #206
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Old November 24th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #207
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Old November 24th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #208
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Old. I think that has been posted on the HSL -Zuid thread.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 10:22 PM   #209
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Gothenburg City takes the conflict with AnsaldoBreda to the arbitration tribunal.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1....-skiljedomstol

I can't bother to translate the text but is basically says that the trams Gothenburg bought from AnsaldoBreda are a rusting pile of junk and that reparing them will cost 150-200 million Swedish Krona, ~17 to 22 million Euros.
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Old December 25th, 2013, 04:16 AM   #210
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Hawaii also has big problems with AnsaldoBreda at the moment.
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Old December 25th, 2013, 05:06 AM   #211
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Hawaii also has big problems with AnsaldoBreda at the moment.
What happened with thier order?
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Old December 25th, 2013, 05:08 AM   #212
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Hawaii also has big problems with AnsaldoBreda at the moment.
They agreed to have fixed-length 4-car trains (instead of starting with 2-car trains that could be coupled later one).

The change will avoid delays, since the coupling mechanism wasn't working on tests. The total number or cars (80) won't change, but they will all be built as 4-car sets. So they'll get 20 4-car sets instead of 40 2-car sets that could be expanded later.

As a result, some modification to station designs will be done, making them all fit for 4-car train operation. The frequency of service, on its start, will also be halved from 150 to 300 seconds.

Bombardier doesn't agree with this modification and is said to be going to sue again (it lost the train bid to AnsaldoBreda).

So interesting developments are coming.

Only thing I really don't like is that some influential people in Hawaii are picking up on the V250 controversy as a way to justify a premature cancellation of contracts and re-tendering of the trains to some other manufacturer already, as the politicians all over Oahu could become worried of a Fyra-style fallout there (line ready but trains not able to enter service due to technical issues and integration problems).
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Old December 25th, 2013, 06:01 AM   #213
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I can see why politicians are worried over the Fyra drama: the cancellation of the V250 trains and the associated legal fees pose a big risk to AnsaldoBreda. There is a chance that AnsaldoBreda will have to reimburse SNCB and NS for the full amount received so far and that they will also have to pay for damages suffered by the railways such as alternative transport, marketing, brand damage, etc.

This could result in additional losses of hundreds of millions for AnsaldoBreda, this for a company that has been suffering from heavy year-over-year losses. Losing the Fyra case could jeopardize the existence of the company.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #214
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They agreed to have fixed-length 4-car trains (instead of starting with 2-car trains that could be coupled later one).

The change will avoid delays, since the coupling mechanism wasn't working on tests. The total number or cars (80) won't change, but they will all be built as 4-car sets. So they'll get 20 4-car sets instead of 40 2-car sets that could be expanded later.

As a result, some modification to station designs will be done, making them all fit for 4-car train operation. The frequency of service, on its start, will also be halved from 150 to 300 seconds.

Bombardier doesn't agree with this modification and is said to be going to sue again (it lost the train bid to AnsaldoBreda).

So interesting developments are coming.

Only thing I really don't like is that some influential people in Hawaii are picking up on the V250 controversy as a way to justify a premature cancellation of contracts and re-tendering of the trains to some other manufacturer already, as the politicians all over Oahu could become worried of a Fyra-style fallout there (line ready but trains not able to enter service due to technical issues and integration problems).
And this even before the AB trains start breakind down?
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Old December 29th, 2013, 05:32 PM   #215
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Just passed by AB's HQ. There's a V250 Fyra parked in the yard.
Since I was driving I couldn't take a deep look at it, but passing over the fact that it's yucky, it seemed a new train.
AFAIK it's retired from service since June, anybody knows why that trainset is there?
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Old December 29th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #216
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Only 9 out of 19 sets have been delivered and entered service for a few months from autumn 2012 to January/February 2013, so I suppose you saw one of the sets that never reached Benelux and thus never entered service.
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At least one V250 train set is in Pistoia which AnsaldoBreda is still working on. A couple of months ago they presented their solution to the "winter problem": a snow plough mounted underneath.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 08:03 PM   #218
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At least one V250 train set is in Pistoia which AnsaldoBreda is still working on. A couple of months ago they presented their solution to the "winter problem": a snow plough mounted underneath.
what a smart invention...
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Old December 29th, 2013, 08:19 PM   #219
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I keep wondering what will happen with the V250 trains after all. I still hope somehow they get into service after issues are fixed. Maybe on domestic Dutch services. Maybe sold to some international open-access carrier. Maybe NTV could buy the trains at fire-sale prices to operate open-access services in Italy
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Old December 29th, 2013, 08:34 PM   #220
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Well, I keep hearing there aren't enough doors for domestic service (they want faster boarding times for domestic service), so it seems unlikely.
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