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Old November 18th, 2011, 08:03 PM   #21
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Here is another article (summer of 2007) about the new trams in Gothenburg.

Gothenburg new trams a fiasco

40 new trams from Italian AnsaldoBreda would have entered service in autumn 2005. To date, twelve delivered. And all stuck with quality problems that squeak, thump tions, howling and air conditioning systems that often do not work.

- We got promises rather than reality, says Bernt Nielsen, Gothenburg's public transport manager told the newspaper Gothenburg Post. The contract between the traffic office in Gothenburg and AnsaldoBreda was signed six years ago. That the order went to the Italian company was mainly on price, about 600 million swedish krona and significantly lower than competitors could offer. Under the contract, the first car was supposed to be delivered in spring 2003 and the final in fall of 2005. That did not happen.

The first tram that was delivered could only be put in traffic between Christmas and New Year's eve 2005. The delivery of the tram series was only started in the summer of 2006, several years behind schedule. Currently (summer of 2007) only twelve trams have arrived in Gothenburg, and they all malfunction.

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Old November 19th, 2011, 05:33 PM   #22
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Why the hell isn't this company blacklisted by the EU? Everything I have ever read about this company is that they are FUBARing everything they are involved in.

If it's not the worthless IC4 in Denmark, then it is the worthless new trams in Gothenburg or the worthless new V250 HSR train in Holland or the worthless ETR 500 in Italy.

What the hell is going on? Why is this maffia shite organization allowed to continue with their scams, all they do is robbing money from taxpayers all over europe
And you forgot the Rome metro!

However Finmeccanica (the parent company of Ansaldo Breda) is in deep trouble because of the typical mismanagement of Italian state owned companies.

P.S.: now FIAT cars have good reliability, especially for what concerns mechanics.

However, as an Italian, is really a shame.
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Old November 20th, 2011, 08:08 AM   #23
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P.S.: now FIAT cars have good reliability, especially for what concerns mechanics.
FIAT= Fix It Again Tony
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Old November 20th, 2011, 11:20 AM   #24
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MADE IN ITALY

IC4 has become a favorite subject for Danish cartoonists. (Roald Als / Politiken)

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Old November 20th, 2011, 01:46 PM   #25
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The Danes weren't to happy when an IC4 set turned up in Lybia...



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...85&postcount=8

Aparently a gift from Berlusconi to his pal Khadaffi...
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Old November 20th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #26
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The Danes weren't to happy when an IC4 set turned up in Lybia...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...85&postcount=8

Aparently a gift from Berlusconi to his pal Khadaffi...
Maybe this is what started the revolution.
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Old November 20th, 2011, 07:21 PM   #27
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There's hardly any need to blacklist AnsaldoBreda,as so far they've managed to create excellent anti-commercial for themselves. In fact,if lack of decent quality control within company & problems with poor build quality continue,then soon there won't be any PT & railway companies left who would dare to try their luck on using Ansaldo's trains.

I feel sorry for Danes though - they got really screwed by AnsaldoBreda
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Old November 20th, 2011, 10:38 PM   #28
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I'm sorry for Italy, that buys only from AnsaldoBreda!
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Old November 21st, 2011, 04:51 AM   #29
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I'm sorry for Italy, that buys only from AnsaldoBreda!
NTV actually buys from Alstom.
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Old November 21st, 2011, 09:20 AM   #30
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I'm sorry for Italy, that buys only from AnsaldoBreda!
But Trenitalia also buys from Alsthom and Bombardier, and NTV bought from Alstom...
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Old November 21st, 2011, 11:17 AM   #31
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But in all cases the vehicles are partly built in Italy.

Siemens doesn't have any plant there, and basically no Italian railway company has Siemens' vehicles...
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Even Stadler Rail is cooperating with AnsaldoBreda on the production of Flirt EMU's for a couple of local Italian operators.
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When I look at Ansaldo Breda I understand why Italy is so deep in the Sh...... I could not even finish typing what they are in because Ansaldo Breda is still producing it!
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When I look at Ansaldo Breda I understand why Italy is so deep in the Sh...... I could not even finish typing what they are in because Ansaldo Breda is still producing it!
not *really* funny
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 10:27 PM   #35
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But somehow true
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Old November 24th, 2011, 02:07 AM   #36
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the worthless ETR 500 in Italy.
What's the matter with the ETR 500?

Anyway, the big fail in Italy was to leave Fiat Ferroviaria to be bought by Alstom. They could have made a big railway transportation company merging it with Ansaldobreda.
Now it's too small to compete with the other big companies (Bombardier, Siemens, Alstom)

Now Finmeccanica faces a lot of troubles and don't have the money to develop a serious project for AnsaldoBreda, so I don't know, probably they will sell it...
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When I look at Ansaldo Breda I understand why Italy is so deep in the Sh...... I could not even finish typing what they are in because Ansaldo Breda is still producing it!
Well it could be true.
But personally I'm really getting tired the whole world now points at Italy as the global cause of any disaster in the world.
Now also die perfekt Deutschland is in trouble because they can't sell their bonds, so they don't laugh anymore I guess?
I think everybody spend so much time in pointing out other countries' problems that they don't have time to figure out that they also have a LOT, and maybe bigger.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 03:36 AM   #38
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Even Stadler Rail is cooperating with AnsaldoBreda on the production of Flirt EMU's for a couple of local Italian operators.
So far Stadler has a superb quality record. I hope the image of the company doesn't get tarnished if these sets start having problems... although I have to say that I don't think the problems at Ansaldo Breda are caused by a general attitude of italians, just by a poor quality control division and bad engineering and supervising, if all that is well done I'm sure any train built in Italy can be as reliable as any other!
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So far Stadler has a superb quality record. I hope the image of the company doesn't get tarnished if these sets start having problems... although I have to say that I don't think the problems at Ansaldo Breda are caused by a general attitude of italians, just by a poor quality control division and bad engineering and supervising, if all that is well done I'm sure any train built in Italy can be as reliable as any other!
Italians are quite able to produce well engineered, well designed quality products. I know of quite a few examples. However, these come mostly from smaller firms.
One of the problems is that larger firms in Italy have for to long been living at the expense of the state, so that they are good at rent seeking, but not at project management and quality control. In the new unified European market however they must adapt.
Fiat proved that change is possible. Ansaldo Breda shows that not everyone has adapted to the new world.
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Anyway, both Ansaldo and Breda built in the past very good products, before they were merged and put into control of the state...
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