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Old May 8th, 2013, 01:19 AM   #81
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AB promised that they would build a local assembly plant, which would mean that about 100 new permanent jobs and more temporary jobs would be created. They've promised this to other American cities as well.
They promised it to Los Angeles as well, which raised some questions in the media since they figured out A.B. promised it to 2 other cities as well, while they could only really open a local plant at 1 of those locations... so they were lying to at least 2 American cities.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 01:20 AM   #82
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AnsaldoBreda won the contract to build new cars for Miami metro.
I'll hope for the best for Miami. Let's keep following the progress, maybe this time they will get it right.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 03:21 AM   #83
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AB promised that they would build a local assembly plant, which would mean that about 100 new permanent jobs and more temporary jobs would be created. They've promised this to other American cities as well.
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They promised it to Los Angeles as well, which raised some questions in the media since they figured out A.B. promised it to 2 other cities as well, while they could only really open a local plant at 1 of those locations... so they were lying to at least 2 American cities.
How come they do that?
They must believe people are stupid!

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I'll hope for the best for Miami. Let's keep following the progress, maybe this time they will get it right.
Florida: fingers crossed & touch all the wood of the Everglades!
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Old May 8th, 2013, 10:16 AM   #84
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AnsaldoBreda won the contract to build new cars for Miami metro.
I feel sorry for the staff who will be confronted with such unreliable rubbish.

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They lost Honolulu's contract though.
Three hurrays for Honolulu then....
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Old May 21st, 2013, 05:19 PM   #85
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Oslo says stop!

An article just went live on the website of the Danish engineering magazine "Ingenioeren". It deals with a recent report by the traffic company of Oslo City concerning the 32 trams they bought a few years ago from AndsaldoBreda. I translate the first sentences:

"Drop that rubbish!" That was the main gist of a comprehensive technical review of Oslo's 32 light rail carriages provided by Ansaldobreda. The rolling stock is between 9 and 12 years old and although it officially has at least another 20 years to go, the technicians recommend condemning the entirety to the scrapheap - and sooner rather than later.

’The maintenance costs of the SL95-carriages are in all likelihood the highest in Europe. At any rate they are much above the maintenance costs of all our other - much older - light rail rolling stock. Each tram-kilometer costs the City of Oslo 47 NKr in maintenance costs. This is four times the European average, and the cost will continue climbing if we retain the AnsaldoBreda-provided materiel", states the report.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 07:05 PM   #86
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If you ask AnsaldoBreda to make you a pair of shoes, you end up with 1 sandal, made of rusting faux-leather.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 04:29 PM   #87
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No no no... You will end up with a pair of shoes.

However, If they say it will be ready by 2 months, they actually mean 2 years and when you try them out the laces loosen, you tight them again and after 6 feet a giant hole in the sole is what you get. When you complain they assure you they'll fix it in no time. Three weeks later you get them back, but to be sure they are fit for purpose you bring them to a local shoemaker to get a second opinion.

Then the question of question of all questions. "How much did you paid for them in the end?"
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 12:57 AM   #88
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Bashing AnsaldoBreda has become a sport on this section of SSC.

Hopefully the ETR1000 project will be successful and then AnsaldoBerda can be recognized as a 1st class train manufacturer again.
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 01:33 AM   #89
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Bashing AnsaldoBreda has become a sport on this section of SSC.
Just as much as the fact that you are the best, er... known member of SSC, for a certain number of reasons.

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Old May 23rd, 2013, 01:33 AM   #90
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Oh subby, you so cray...
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 01:38 AM   #91
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Why? What does AnsaldoBreda have to do with the ETR1000 to make them a 1st class train manufacturer? The entire technical design and engineering was done by Bombardier (ETR1000 is a Zefiro), Bombardier is part of the consortium that builds the ETR1000 and does things like quality control.

The only reason that AnsaldoBreda is even involved with the ETR1000 is because this gave Bombardier a competitive advantage over Alstom: the ETR1000 is 'designed in Italy' and 'built in Italy by an Italian company which provides jobs to Italian employees'. Alstom might have factories in Italy (ex-FIAT), but the design department is located somewhere in Paris (or maybe La Rochelle) and the money would go to France, and not Italy.

With the V250, IC4, trams for Oslo and Gothenborg, the Trenitalia E403 locomotive (which is still not doing what it was ordered for) and all the other projects that AnsaldoBreda is absolutely incapable of engineering something which even remotely resembles quality. They've also proven to be unreliable when that IC4 train showed up in Libya.

I don't want to bash AnsaldoBreda per se, but they keep on failing miserably when they attempt to deliver on their own. I'm sure AnsaldoBreda can deliver quality vehicles, they've done so before when they were part of the consortium which built the ETR 500 or when they act as a subcontractor
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 04:05 AM   #92
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Bashing AnsaldoBreda has become a sport on this section of SSC.
Praising AnsaldoBreda (against all actual facts) has become YOUR sport on just about every section of SSC.

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Hopefully the ETR1000 project will be successful and then AnsaldoBerda can be recognized as a 1st class train manufacturer again.
Ah yes, because assembling something for someone else makes you a 1st class manufacturer. Just as I am a first class manufacturer of Lego, even though I lack all design and plastic-molding skills.
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 02:56 PM   #93
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Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Old May 24th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #94
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Is Ansaldo STS a part of this company because they seem to be doing it right.
Atleast our driverless metro in Copenhagen works very well so Ansaldo STS will also provide the trains and signalling system for the city circle line that opens in 2018.
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Ansaldo STS is a sister company of AnsaldoBreda. They're both owned by Finmeccanica, the Italian space and defense giant. Ansaldo STS is the vendor of one of the most well-known high speed safety system: Transmission Voie-Machine (TVM). It's in use on all French high speed lines, as well as on High Speed 1 in the UK and HSL 1 in Belgium. Ansaldo STS acquired TVM when they took over CSEE.

For some reason, Ansaldo STS can get its act together while AnsaldoBreda on its own is incapable of doing so. In the Copenhagen case, I'm thinking that AnsaldoBreda acted as some sort of subcontractor to STS, where STS did quality control and provided AB with detailed instruction on what to build.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 08:44 AM   #96
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News from RailJournal.com: Washington Metro has placed an order with Kawasaki for 100 additional metro cars to replace the unreliable Breda cars delivered in the 1990s.

I've always thought AB couldn't be as bad as we all make it sound, but once you dive in a bit more it isn't even bad, it's worse.
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Gothenburg debacle

Here's another translated article from the danish engineering magazine that i quoted once already.

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Rust attacks on Gothenburg's fleet of Ansaldobreda-trams are so severe that large parts of wagons bearing structure must be replaced. The beleaguered tram operator, Gothenburg Spårvägar, experienced a new low with their Ansaldobreda-trams in February when the 40 trams had to be taken out of service to be checked for rust.

37 of the carriages had so extensive rust damage that they were immediately barred from passenger service. Today, 28 of the carriages have again been authorized to transport passengers after temporary repairs paid by Ansaldobreda. But a new report from a independent auditor of Gothenburg's municipal authorities indicates that technicians from Gothenburg Spårvager estimates that it will cost 3 million SKr per tram to restore the fleet to longer-term reliability.....

... It is only a few months since Ansaldobreda delivered the last tram to Gothenburg's transport company. The full delivery from Italy comprises 65 trams. The first Ansaldobreda tram was put into passenger service in 2006.

It is true, the city's auditors say, that for SKr 100,000. per wagon it is possible to make a number of makeshift repairs that will ensure operational stability for some time to come. But that will only be a kind of temporary solution - rust problems will arise again warn the Swedish technicians.

In addition, there's a need to replace sheets of plywood below the flooring of the trams. These are subject to significant moisture damage, and many trams are actually affected by fungal attacks due to moisture penetration.

There are currently intense negotiations between Gothenburg City Council and Ansaldobreda about who should pay the costs of a major upgrade of the equipment. The warranty period for the trams is two years. In the case of so-called "serial fault" the warranty, however, covers the equipment's entire life cycle.
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This is not the Danish State Railways (DSB) answer to the IC4 Ansaldo scandal.

This locomotive, K582, owned by the North Zealland Veteran Railway Club, was built in 1900 by Ernesto Breda and is running on the first stage of the new high speed line out of Copenhagen, at the future station Ny Ellebjerg. .
The train is on a trip on the ring line around Copenhagen.

See the whole video here.

http://www.veterantoget.dk/galleri.aspx


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This is not the Danish State Railways (DSB) answer to the IC4 Ansaldo scandal.

This locomotive, K582, owned by the North Zealland Veteran Railway Club, was built in 1900 by Ernesto Ansaldo and is running on the first stage of the new high speed line out of Copenhagen, at the future station Ny Ellebjerg. .
The train is on a trip on the ring line around Copenhagen.

See the whole video here.

http://www.veterantoget.dk/galleri.aspx


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The Ansaldo company which in 1900 built this steam locomotive has nothing to do with the AnsaldoBreda company which has recently built the IC4..and the Fyra Albatross V250.
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The Ansaldo company which in 1900 built this steam locomotive has nothing to do with the AnsaldoBreda company which has recently built the IC4..and the Fyra Albatross V250.
I'm sorry, I should have written Ernesto Breda, not Ernesto Ansaldo.
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