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Old November 29th, 2011, 08:42 PM   #21
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lmao filip! seriously though, integration is so necessary. metro/regional transit planning is the way to go!
I agree. This proposal should extend and make a circle line, making Eglinton as the upper line parallel with Queen.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 01:11 AM   #22
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They should integrate the Go trains into the TTC and run it just like the Paris RER (Regional Express Network) using the same fare system. People from Etobicoke, Scarborough, etc don't need to stop at every single little station to reach downtown. There are 7 'relief' lines already built! And in my opinion those lines are underused.

That way instead of spending money building relief lines, they can use the cash to integrate the TTC with the existing GO train lines by building access tunnels or moving existing Go Train stations closer to the TTC stations, integrating a whole bunch of relief lines in one go.


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Old December 1st, 2011, 03:46 AM   #23
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They should integrate the Go trains into the TTC and run it just like the Paris RER (Regional Express Network) using the same fare system. People from Etobicoke, Scarborough, etc don't need to stop at every single little station to reach downtown. There are 7 'relief' lines already built! And in my opinion those lines are underused.

That way instead of spending money building relief lines, they can use the cash to integrate the TTC with the existing GO train lines by building access tunnels or moving existing Go Train stations closer to the TTC stations, integrating a whole bunch of relief lines in one go.


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Many of those lines run on railways that are privately owned - they cannot run more trains because the private owners (CN, CP, GEXR) are not making it easy for them. Also in many cases the demand is too low to justify mega HRT trains like GO-bilevels, and using other trains is not really an option because they have to meet US federal railway regulations - and having another off-peak fleet would be an increased cost for GO that passengers or taxpayers would eventually have to pay for.

Where Metrolinx owns the rail line or a section of track, they are involved in expansion projects - the Weston Sub, the West Toronto diamond, Lakeshore West 3rd track extension come to mind - but there are more improvements needed.

I agree that more integration of TTC & GO fares is necessary, and also more links between TTC & GO stations. Some of that is already happening. But at the same time, solutions still have to be found for the existing problems - like the fact that there isn't really enough track & platform space to run more GO trains (that all-day 2-way service we're all hoping for) into Union.

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Old December 1st, 2011, 04:08 PM   #24
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GO really needs to do electrification with priority on the Lakeshore and Georgetown/Airport lines. Beyond that, they either need a sub station at Union (the capacity upgrades they are doing now will be swallowed up within a decade) or else the North Bathurst terminal, with links to a DRL.

They also need to work on ensuring that people transferring from GO to TTC lines using Presto cards are not paying more than what someone with a Metropass would pay (at $120/month, 60 rides is $2.00/boarding)
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Old December 1st, 2011, 11:10 PM   #25
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Any news on this?
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 12:02 AM   #26
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The Metrolinx PDF in the OP assumes electrification occurs sometime between now and 2035 when their plan for the DRL is seen as necessary.

As far as I can tell Metrolinx has recommended the Provincial Government funds conversion, but the government is saying they are broke. Seems stupid to me, as investing in infrastructure during a recession is the best way to save on material and labour costs in the long run, while aiding the economy.
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 05:35 AM   #27
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I'm anxious to see the whole thing get started. No more heel dragging!
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Old April 10th, 2012, 03:41 AM   #28
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The route is now different from the earlier proposal - Toronto Star article:
Toronto transit: ‘Downtown’ Relief Line Could be the Subway Suburbanites Crave

Tess Kalinowski Transportation Reporter
Sun Apr 8 2012

How do you spell relief if you ride the south end of the Yonge subway? D-R-L — downtown relief line.

Since 1910, when the idea first emerged of a transit line connecting the east end of Toronto with the south end of Yonge St., the DRL has gained very little traction. But the concept has resurfaced lately. Crowding is already so bad at the south end of Yonge St. that new TTC chief Andy Byford immediately identified a DRL as a priority.

There is a chorus of experts who suggest that Mayor Rob Ford has been crusading for the wrong subway on Sheppard Ave. E.; that he could better serve suburban constituents by focusing on a downtown relief line. “We’ve got to turn our attention back to the core, where the density is,” insists Toronto transportation planning guru Ed Levy. “The downtown is starving, and it is being served by the oldest, most constricted stations in the city,” he said. But downtowners can walk or use streetcars. The pain at the bottom of Yonge St. is as much a suburban commuter’s problem as a condo dweller’s...

...Meantime, Dawson says, the TTC will continue to wring every bit of capacity possible out of the Yonge-University subway. By the end of the year it will be furnished entirely with the roomier Toronto Rocket trains, and by 2017 a new computerized signalling system will allow trains to run closer together. Some current riders will be diverted to the west side of the line when the Spadina extension into York Region opens in 2015.

But in 20 years, that additional capacity will also be maxed out.

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Old April 10th, 2012, 03:56 AM   #29
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That's a Toronto Star graphic of a theoretical line - TTC/Metrolinx are only at the stage of putting out trial balloons for a DRL, actual route deciscions are probably 3 years away still should the balloons stay inflated
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Old April 10th, 2012, 03:58 AM   #30
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Too many proposals and renderings. When are they gonna make up their mind? If they can only airdrop that huge Tunnel-Boring Machine right on that spot where they like to build the subway system and why not!
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Old April 10th, 2012, 05:55 AM   #31
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I think the DRL is a horrid idea.
I mean seriously, by the time Toronto actually gets around to building it everyone will be beaming downtown from their condo on the lunar colony.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 10:31 PM   #32
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Karen Stintz has recognized it as the next priority as well: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06...-karen-stintz/
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Old June 12th, 2012, 01:08 AM   #33
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please just get this thing built for once.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 01:14 AM   #34
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Karen Stintz has recognized it as the next priority as well: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06...-karen-stintz/
if everyone agrees on this (including the notoriously ill-informed mayor), why don't we delay the Finch & Sheppard lrts and move the funds over to the DRL? How much of a cost difference would there be? The DRL is at least as important as Finch and Sheppard
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Old June 12th, 2012, 01:18 AM   #35
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because Scarboroughians will cry out that they are now not even getting an LRT, but rather the "downtown pinkos" will be getting a subway, something they wanted.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 01:23 AM   #36
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because Scarboroughians will cry out that they are now not even getting an LRT, but rather the "downtown pinkos" will be getting a subway, something they wanted.
but with the DRL Scarberians can get downtown faster and with greater ease than transferring at Yonge & Bloor
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Old June 12th, 2012, 01:47 AM   #37
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ah, but you don't understand politics. really, a DRL will help them more than a sheppard LRT, but they don't get that. if it isn't within a couple of kms from your house, it doesn't affect your 30km commute. (at least that's their way of thinking)
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Old June 12th, 2012, 09:50 PM   #38
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I still think the real conversation should be focused on London Ontario building it's own own "Underground", if for no other reason than it has a better chance of getting built.
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Old June 13th, 2012, 04:14 PM   #39
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I still think the real conversation should be focused on London Ontario building it's own own "Underground", if for no other reason than it has a better chance of getting built.
What the hell kind of crap are you blabbering about now?
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Old June 14th, 2012, 08:25 PM   #40
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It was a joke!
My point was that the DRL will never, ever get built. This is due to one simple reason..........there's no money nor will there be for atleast 20 years. Queen's Park is broke and even if Ottawa in 10 years decides to really start funding mass/rapid transit they will never consider it if Toronto doesn't come up with most of the money and who could blame them. Toronto refuses to believe it should contribute money for it's own mass transit expansion and hence the dire situation they find themselves in. This whole Eglinton technology and ROW vs complete grade separation wouldn't even be a discussion if Toronto itself was willing to actually put a dime towards TC but they won't.

You get what you pay for and that explains why Toronto has managed a stellar 6km of rapid transit expansion in the last 30 years. It also explains Vancouver's 70km expansion and huge expansions across the NA including such supposed car-loving cities as L.A., Portland, Dallas, Calgary, Edmonton, Wash, Seattle, Phoneix etc. You seem those cities {and everyother one on the planet} have realized something that Toronto can't seem to get it's head around.........if you want something you have to pay for it and not wait for decades for someone else to do it.
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